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With the earth-shaking moves of signing two lottery picks in Ben McLemore and Tyreke Evans, the NBA is running in fear of the Grizz. Take that OKC! Who cares if you got Paul George, we just signed 2, count them, not 1, but 2 former NBA lottery picks. What is the new lineup that we will roll out to play "Fizz's" style of ball?

Starting Lineup:

PG- Mike Conley, clearly barring any injury

SG-???, is it BennyMacBo or TyTy? I have no idea, but I do think it's pretty sad that we have to choose between two guys who couldn't cut it on a 32-win team last season. As far as talent, I would go with TyTy but as far as fit, I would go with BennyMacBo. Well, I should say, based upon what everyone is hoping that BennyMacBo will be with his second chance in a new city in a stable franchise is a better option than TyTy. He's a better 3-point shooter and fits better in between Conley and Parsons. I guess Harrison is an option, which is quite sad cause most teams don't like at him as an option as an NBA player let alone a starter

SF- Chandler Parsons, well, barring injury and if he can actually run up the court. The only question here is Chancun's health

PF-???, Well, JaM isn't re-signed and his agent may have him in China next year. BWright was whining, crying, b!tching and moaning at the end of last season about playing time which is laughable coming from one of the most brittle players in NBA history but he may very well end up as our starting PF next season. He'll be out for the season by game 10

C- Marc Gasol, clearly barring any injury or off-season trade demand

 

Bench:

Guards- Assuming BennyMacBo starts, then Rekey will be the sixth man and allowed to score as much as he wants. I actually have no problem with that because he would not be disruptive as to what the starting lineup is doing. TyTy could go out and relive his Memphis Tigers days and just put his head down and getting to the rim. If he gets us 15 ppg off of the bench, that would be yuuuge. I would keep Troy Daniels to do what he did last year but to play him more but it's obvious that the almighty Fizz doesn't like his game. Just like he didn't like Z-Bo or VC or TA's games either and we see what happened there. I do like Selden even though he hasn't shown much.  l have no clue on all of this other crap- Harrison, Baldwin, and Simmons. Just trade them all.

Forwards- James Ennis is really going to have to step it up big time. I argued with people ad nausea last offseason about how he is not starter material and how I expected about 7-9 ppg from him at best whereas people thought he was easily going to avg double digits because of what he did on a horrible injury-riddled Pelicans team. He really has to step up this season because if he doesn't, well, he'll just get traded and he's in a contract year so no big deal really. I'm hoping that Rade is a steal. If he can come in and contribute at all, it would be a big plus. Jarell Martin-trade him, he's barely played in 2 years and looks lost, but but but, he's athletic.....and he has bad feet, not a good combination. Ivan Rabb and Dillon Brooks may actually get some pt, which is saying a lot about this team

C- DD, it's all on you buddy. You better perform.

Coach- I'm not sold on Fizz, or his secret super duper style of play that everyone keeps talking about. Nor am I sold that he's some super duper developer of talent either. I'm not from Missouri but he's going to have to show me. I had serious questions about him last year but it was his first year. If he repeats his same mistakes and this team misses the playoffs, yes, I feel that he should be on the hot seat.

This team is not giving me a warn and fuzzy about being a playoff contender next year as of 7/8. Obviously, things can change, we may swing a big trade or somehow sign someone meaningful with our remaining $3.2 million but as of right now, this looks like a team of cast-offs, injury prone players and inexperienced players whose NBA talent is questionable.

 

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The great Fizz speaks. He loves the new lineup....Coach Fizdale happy with Grizzlies' direction

 

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LAS VEGAS – Grizzlies coach David Fizdale is preparing for his second season as an NBA head coach.

He’ll wear those trademark eyeglasses, but the Grizzlies will look much different than the squad Fizdale inherited last season. Forwards Zach Randolph and Vince Carter left to sign free-agent deals with the Sacramento Kings. Swingman Tony Allen’s departure appears imminent given the Grizzlies added four wing players via the draft and free agency. The Grizzlies got younger and more athletic. And Fizdale will be charged with developing talent while trying to win games. In a wide-ranging interview with the USA TODAY NETWORK - Tennessee, Fizdale talked about the Grizzlies’ change in direction and what he looks forward to with a new cast of characters.

Pick-and-Pop:  Z-Bo’s jersey, Dave Joerger’s free agency revenge and other Grizzlies thoughts

Q: What was thinking behind signing Ben McLemore, Tyreke Evans and Wayne Selden?

A: Ben has been starter in this league. He’s super talented. He’s a guy who can make threes. He’ll have a lot of room to grow. He’s had a tough situation in Sacramento because he’s been coached by so many different guys. That’s tough for a kid who’s developing and trying to figure out what his game is from staff to staff. He got lost in the shuffle out there. I feel I can develop him. We feel strong about our development program. James Ennis became a better player. Troy Daniels. And our veterans, too. A guy like McLemore has so much raw talent that we feel like we can take him to another level. We wanted to up our athleticism and skill on the perimeter. Ben helps that.


Tyreke does, too, with his ability to score, run pick-and-rolls and break you down one-on-one off the dribble. He’s got so much versatility from a size standpoint I can play him next to Mike (Conley) and play Mike off the ball. He’s a guy who can go get you 15 (points) easily. He can get you 20 on any given night. And I like the fact that he played at the University of Memphis. People know him and really like this kid. And with Wayne, we’re just really high on his future. He’s got the athleticism, the body and the character that’s worth developing. We don’t know where it’s going to end up, but we like the intangibles and work ethic. We spent a lot of time this offseason talking about what are our true identity points when we look at guys in the draft and free agency. Those guys hit all of the points we all agreed on. All of them addressed something we needed help with.


Q: What is your overall view of the players – Ivan Rabb and Dillon Brooks - you selected in the draft?

A: I was happy that we got in the draft and came away with guys who have done something. They have the skillset that we were looking to add to our team. We were always looking to help our wing position and add versatility. And then you look at (free agent) Kobi Simmons – a guy that we got on a two-way deal. He’s a playmaker. He’s super quick. We did a ton of research on him. He’s a guy who can get into the paint and make plays for others. He can also score the ball. We had a really solid draft.


Q: Is it fair to say that you’ve turned the page on the Grizzlies' old identity with Zach Randolph’s departure?

A: At some point, everybody has to do that. It’s life. We all get older. Circumstances change with teams. Directions change with teams. It’s the unfortunate part of the business. I understand fans grow to love people and you get attached to players because they’re so deeply ingrained in your community. The fact that Z-Bo did so much for people in Memphis being a great citizen and neighbor makes people sad about him leaving. I empathize with that. I don’t want to be dismissive about that. He really made his mark here. At the same time, those are the tough decisions organizations have to make.

It wasn’t easy for Miami to make the decision to move away from Dwyane Wade. It happens around the league. Maybe you can’t pay a guy as much and another team is willing to. Maybe you’re looking at someone younger and new when trying to rebuild for the future. Part of our deal is we don’t have a ton of (future) draft picks. We’ve got to start thinking about how we build our future and put ourselves in position to be competitive for a long stretch of time. No one wanted to see Z-Bo go. It was one of those tough decisions. I’m just happy Z-Bo, at his age, got $24 million after sacrificing for me coming off the bench. To see him be rewarded, whether it was with us or somebody else, I’m just happy for him. Z-Bo did his job and set himself up for a nice offseason. He got what he deserved.


Q: Grizzlies general manager Chris Wallace said the organization is going down two paths of developing talent while trying to remain competitive. Your thoughts?

A: I would say that’s a fair assessment. For me, I’m going to do the job with the team that’s on the floor. I’m not into battles about what direction we should be going in. That’s a waste of energy. They don’t pay me for that. They pay me to coach the guys that they give me. When you’re going through transitional times when your team is getting older, that’s part of the plan: Can you bring 3-5 guys along while you’re still winning? San Antonio kept winning but they were bringing along Danny Green, Kawhi Leonard, Jonathon Simmons and Patty Mills. So you just hope you can bring along a couple of guys who can help you win while they’re learning. The goal is the same. I still want to win a title.

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I did see something in the summer league today that is encouraging in that Larry Brown is some type of consultant to the team now.

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Thanks for posting wherever this came from.  I told my brother we signed Fizz because of player relationships and development.  We don't expect him to make everyone a star but if he can develop a few of this guys into real NBA role players to compliment Marc and Mike, he would have done a great job.

 

YO

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27 minutes ago, GrizzliesIQYO said:

Thanks for posting wherever this came from.  I told my brother we signed Fizz because of player relationships and development.  We don't expect him to make everyone a star but if he can develop a few of this guys into real NBA role players to compliment Marc and Mike, he would have done a great job.

 

YO

it came from the CA.

Trying to stay competitive while developing this many young guys is going to be tough. We have 6 guys with decent NBA experience. 2 of those guys are good and reliable in Mike and Marc and then we have 3 guys who have struggled with injuries (Tyreke, Chandler, BWright) and then Ben McLemore who has struggled to find his way in the NBA over a 4 year career. After that, we have a bunch of guys with less than 2 years cumulative experience. Even though Ennis(148) and Daniels (162) are older, they have not played a cumulative total of games that equal 2 seasons (164 games). You have a slew of guys like Baldwin (33 games), Davis (36 games), Harrison (72 games), Martin (69 games), and Selden (14 games) and then the rookies who have played 0 regular season games.

That is a ton of inexperience and putting a lot of weight on the shoulders of Mike and Marc and doing a lot of praying that Parsons, Wright and Evans stay healthy and even more praying that McLemore "gets it" and turns his game around. if all of those things happen next year, we're fine. If we somehow pull off a trade that benefits with an experienced starter we're good but otherwise, it's a crapshoot. 

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Memfizz    0

Love Fiz, but I hate these lineups. They're like a less wholesome more injury prone version of last year minus a consistent bench scoring punch.

Can Benmac and Parsons deliver? Possibly. Is that even enough? Idk we seem slim up front.

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The_PROOF    0

Fizz will put the right lineup together. I have no doubt whatsoever. I'm thinking Conley, McLemore/Evans/Selden, Parsons, Green, and Gasol.

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1 hour ago, Notorious O.D.K. said:

it came from the CA.

Trying to stay competitive while developing this many young guys is going to be tough. We have 6 guys with decent NBA experience. 2 of those guys are good and reliable in Mike and Marc and then we have 3 guys who have struggled with injuries (Tyreke, Chandler, BWright) and then Ben McLemore who has struggled to find his way in the NBA over a 4 year career. After that, we have a bunch of guys with less than 2 years cumulative experience. Even though Ennis(148) and Daniels (162) are older, they have not played a cumulative total of games that equal 2 seasons (164 games). You have a slew of guys like Baldwin (33 games), Davis (36 games), Harrison (72 games), Martin (69 games), and Selden (14 games) and then the rookies who have played 0 regular season games.

That is a ton of inexperience and putting a lot of weight on the shoulders of Mike and Marc and doing a lot of praying that Parsons, Wright and Evans stay healthy and even more praying that McLemore "gets it" and turns his game around. if all of those things happen next year, we're fine. If we somehow pull off a trade that benefits with an experienced starter we're good but otherwise, it's a crapshoot. 

WTF does "we're fine" mean?  Playoff 1st round exit?  Define it.  Griz are declining.

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It's kind of like we're just gathering as many similar players together as we can and see which ones will come out on top.  And I don't know that that's a terrible thing.  All these guys seem movable in some way.  So we can evaluate as we go and decide who has a place here, and who doesn't.

We are more likely to move to the next successful iteration if we can find that one guy who can break out from the pack and be a surprise name in this league.  And the more young guys we can find who have a chance of being that person, the better our odds.

Ben McLemore, whether or not he works out, is exactly the kind of young player that a good front office will acquire.  Not too terribly expensive, with lots of physical talent, who just may have been lost in someone else's development shuffle.  Whether or not it works out, it's the right kind of move to make.

So I don't have a clue who our lineup should be.  If Harrison is still here, I think he still gets the starting nod at the beginning of the season, because he's likely got experience over anyone else.  But I would hope that McLemore would play his way into the starting lineup before it's over with this season.

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Most optimum lineups would be

Mike/Harrison

Ben/Evans

Parsons/Selden 

JaMyke/Ennis

Gasol/Davis

First unit would be an offensive force with everyone being able to shoot 3s and multiple playmakers. Second unit would be a defensive force with tons of switch ability and athleticism.  

This has the potential to be real fun. 

 

 

 

 

 

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12 hours ago, GamesOut said:

WTF does "we're fine" mean?  Playoff 1st round exit?  Define it.  Griz are declining.

Playoffs. How many times have the Grizz made it out of the 1st round in franchise history? Making the playoffs is huge for this franchise. Would I like to see more? Of course, but it is what it is as long as Wallace and the rest of those people are in the FO. 

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After looking at SL games again and DD, Martin, and Wade underwhelming so much.  I think best way to clear up roster space is to package Martin+Wade in a trade for future seconds.

DD is still too raw JMart hasn't shown enough in 3yrs to justify his development over other options.  Wade isn't a PG and isn't much of a shooting guard prospect either.  I am starting to think that best course of action is to keep Wright for now and bring DD along even more slowly.   Neither DD or JMart are ready to be a 3rd big in anybodies rotation.   After moving on from them the roster would be as follows.   I am assuming JaM will be back.

Mike/Evans/Harrison

Ben/Wayne/Daniels

Parsons/Ennis/Rade/Brooks

JaMyke/WrightRabb

Gasol/Davis

 

Top 9 guys would be Mike+Marc + Parsons + Reke + JaM + Ben+ Ennis + Wright + Harrison or Daniels     Thats enough experienced NBA players to be able to make the playoffs. 

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chipc3    0

I see the lineup as follows:

PG: Conley and Dog Doo

SG: Hope and Pray

SF: Bandaids and Gauze

PF: Question mark and crying face emoji 

C Gasol and ugliness

A bad trade to get rid of the extra players where we send out a 1st round pick in the process to get a long term terrible contract from someone with a knee injury history. 

Seriously, I see it this way:
PG: Conley, Harrison
SG: Selden, McLemore, Daniels
SF: Parsons, Evans, Ennis
PF: Green, Rabb, new PF
C; Gasol, Davis

Ideally Baldwin, Martin and Wright get traded for a PF who will not be that good but a veteran on an expiring or inexpensive buyout contract. I can't see any other way to get out of the mess the roster is in right now.  

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Blackwatch    0
22 minutes ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

 

DD is still too raw JMart hasn't shown enough in 3yrs to justify his development over other options.  Wade isn't a PG and isn't much of a shooting guard prospect either.  I am starting to think that best course of action is to keep Wright for now and bring DD along even more slowly.   Neither DD or JMart are ready to be a 3rd big in anybodies rotation.   After moving on from them the roster would be as follows.   I am assuming JaM will be back.

Mike/Evans/Harrison

Ben/Wayne/Daniels

Parsons/Ennis/Rade/Brooks

JaMyke/WrightRabb

Gasol/Davis

 

Top 9 guys would be Mike+Marc + Parsons + Reke + JaM + Ben+ Ennis + Wright + Harrison or Daniels     Thats enough experienced NBA players to be able to make the playoffs. 

 

This team makes the playoffs...if the Grizz were in the East perhaps. That squad doesn't sniff the playoffs in the West. Not enough elite NBA talent on the roster to compete with what Minnesota, the Clippers, the Jazz, or the Blazers are doing, much less the elite of the Dubs, Spurs, Rockets or OKC.

The Grizz should have seen what Gasol could fetch to help land more experience and talent. Right now, this squad has to have too many chips fall just right to even compete for an 8th spot in the West (Gasol and Conley pretty much have to show up every nite- not likely, Parsons has to give you good numbers-if he even can run, along with unproven players like Ben and Reke and the young guys). This is a lottery team in 2018.

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I am the all knowing basketball guru of the Grizzlies boards....here are my 2017-18 predictions...you're welcome:

Barring injury bugs (yuuuuge assumption), the Grizz will make the playoffs as a top 6 seed.

I see Reke getting near 30mpg (26-28?) as he rotates 1-3 positions off the bench. 12ppg.

One of Seldon, BMac, Tdaniels will have a breakout year.

Conley makes the ASG...yes, in the West...yes, as a PG

We will move to the middle of the NBA in offensive pace

"so say we all"

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1 minute ago, Back2Grizzness said:

I am the all knowing basketball guru of the Grizzlies boards....here are my 2017-18 predictions...you're welcome:

Barring injury bugs (yuuuuge assumption), the Grizz will make the playoffs as a top 6 seed.

I see Reke getting near 30mpg (26-28?) as he rotates 1-3 positions off the bench. 12ppg.

One of Seldon, BMac, Tdaniels will have a breakout year.

Conley makes the ASG...yes, in the West...yes, as a PG

 

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1 minute ago, Back2Grizzness said:

The heretics on this site will stand amazed.

"Walk by faith, not by sight"

You may want to open your eyes when walking buddy. 

;):lol:

I hope you know this was all in jest too. I hope your faith is rewarded. 

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14 minutes ago, Blackwatch said:

This team makes the playoffs...if the Grizz were in the East perhaps. That squad doesn't sniff the playoffs in the West. Not enough elite NBA talent on the roster to compete with what Minnesota, the Clippers, the Jazz, or the Blazers are doing, much less the elite of the Dubs, Spurs, Rockets or OKC.

The Grizz should have seen what Gasol could fetch to help land more experience and talent. Right now, this squad has to have too many chips fall just right to even compete for an 8th spot in the West (Gasol and Conley pretty much have to show up every nite- not likely, Parsons has to give you good numbers-if he even can run, along with unproven players like Ben and Reke and the young guys). This is a lottery team in 2018.

Glad to see you back!  I thought Blackwatch was on suicideWatch after the Zbo + TA move this offseason  :ph34r:

However, i do understand some of your and Chip3s pessimism because unfortunately yet again health is a major factor this offseason.  But guess what guys -- health is a major factor for pretty much every team every offseason.   

Not sure why you are lumping in Reke as an unproven guy?  When he is a 27yr old vet that has proven to be a legit scorer in the league.   Clippers, Jazz, and Blazers are not better than us and LAC health situation is shakier than ours (Blake is hurt almost every year).   

GSW, OKC, HOU, SAS, MIN, are the only teams that i peg as outright above us from talent perspective.   We are battling it out with LAC, DEN, UTA for the next 3 spots. 

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Blackwatch    0
1 minute ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

Not sure why you are lumping in Reke as an unproven guy?  When he is a 27yr old vet that has proven to be a legit scorer in the league.   Clippers, Jazz, and Blazers are not better than us and LAC health situation is shakier than ours (Blake is hurt almost every year).   

GSW, OKC, HOU, SAS, MIN, are the only teams that i peg as outright above us from talent perspective.   We are battling it out with LAC, DEN, UTA for the next 3 spots. 

The only team I see talent wise in the west that the Grizz are on par with that you listed is DEN with possibly UTA, though I still say UTA is better, even without Hayward, with Hood and Gobert. I don't see DEN as competing for a spot over the Blazers though. Lillard and McCullum give the Blazers a real shot at the playoffs every year.

LAC will have Griffin and DJ, and Beverly at PG will keep them in contention for a playoff spot. As the Grizz roster stands right now, there is no talent on it that is better than Griffin and DJ, though Conley can play with them on a good nite.  

Reke is a one way scorer when healthy, and he hasn't been healthy for the last 3 years. I count on him as much as I count on Parsons at this point. He's unproven for the Grizz until he delivers for the Grizz, as far as I'm concerned.

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On 7/8/2017 at 11:25 PM, GrizzTigerFan said:

Most optimum lineups would be

Mike/Harrison

Ben/Evans

Parsons/Selden 

JaMyke/Ennis

Gasol/Davis

First unit would be an offensive force with everyone being able to shoot 3s and multiple playmakers. Second unit would be a defensive force with tons of switch ability and athleticism.  

This has the potential to be real fun. 

 

 

 

 

 

I  like that second unit lineup a lot especially Ennis being the small ball 4. 

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chipc3    0
1 hour ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

Glad to see you back!  I thought Blackwatch was on suicideWatch after the Zbo + TA move this offseason  :ph34r:

However, i do understand some of your and Chip3s pessimism because unfortunately yet again health is a major factor this offseason.  But guess what guys -- health is a major factor for pretty much every team every offseason.   

Not sure why you are lumping in Reke as an unproven guy?  When he is a 27yr old vet that has proven to be a legit scorer in the league.   Clippers, Jazz, and Blazers are not better than us and LAC health situation is shakier than ours (Blake is hurt almost every year).   

GSW, OKC, HOU, SAS, MIN, are the only teams that i peg as outright above us from talent perspective.   We are battling it out with LAC, DEN, UTA for the next 3 spots. 

Health is a factor for every team in the league but you can make moves to minimize that effect. The Grizzlies have made moves that appear to increase the risk. 

Evans is clearly not an unproven player. The question is will the Evans Memphis sees this season be the same one who proved what he could in the past? He put up decent numbers on a bad team in Sacramento after the surgeries so he is worth the risk but you have to admit that it is a big risk. 

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SC Grizz    0

I hope that McLemore earns the starting SG spot versus his competition. Not a good start to the season if he does not.

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Just now, chipc3 said:

Health is a factor for every team in the league but you can make moves to minimize that effect. The Grizzlies have made moves that appear to increase the risk. 

So true... If someone is looking to hire for Chris Wallace's position I am happy to submit a resume.

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Surprised everyone is just penciling in JaM. I wouldn't rule out an overseas contract. Johnathon Simmons is an UFA. Would much rather have him than Benny Mac

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