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48 minutes ago, The Truth is OUT said:

I'm not fearmongering.  I'm trying to take a very reasoned look at what the next few years look like.  The reality is we have no real assets to speak of coming in for a couple more years.  Gasol is clearly at the beginning of the end of his peak years.  He's filling the slot of one of our top 2 guys right now.    

The problem is not so much us, as it is where we sit compared to everyone else.  When I look at injury histories - particularly knee injuries - over my time as a fan of the NBA, if Parsons couldn't go this year, statistically speaking, he probably won't ever again.  I allowed the fact that the signing was approved by the league office as a clean bill of health, but obviously that wasn't correct.  So the realist in me says to not count on that.  So now we have that albatross to deal with.  

To me, the gutsy play would be to trade Gasol, right now - and hope you can get the right combo of current and future assets that Conley and Co. can keep our team competitive long enough to see if any of our young pups can become something special. That too becomes a long shot, but it is also a more aggressive play.

And no, the Grizzlies are not an elite team.  I guess it depends on your definition of elite.  To me, an elite team is one that can at least be spoken of as a darkhorse to get to the finals of their division.  That's different from a perennial playoff team. And I'd be ok with only that, if we looked like that.  But if we lose Z-bo and TA - heck, just Z-bo - our team will be more different than people are admitting to themselves.

All I am talking about is the merits of going ahead and reading the Western Conference landscape while we are coming off a playoff year.  If we don't make the playoffs this season, and all these teams ahead of us do no worse than stand pat, we're now looking at the end of the run with these guys.  And at that point, everybody's on the block, and we're getting less for them than we might have otherwise.

Is it realistic to say all of our younger players are worthless 1 to 2 years in? I think that is extreme. You also bury your head in the sand when I mentioned that among the western elite last year the grizzlies were one of the 2 best teams by record against them.

Your view is that everything is failing off the rails, when in reality, the only thing you have to support that is your pessimistic view of our players and a couple of mediocre regular season records.

The problem is that you've been saying this for at least 3 years so it doesn't matter if the grizzlies were coming off a 50 win season and a second round birth in the playoffs being up two to one with a hurt conley, or if we were coming off a season were we had a ton of injuries and went 44-38.

So, your opinion, with your "evidence," is pretty weak considering that it doesn't matter what the grizzlies do on the court. Only your perception of who they are that matters.

Again, the grizzlies aren't trying to cash out on Mike and Marc, what about that don't you understand? The grizzlies, despite what you think, are as good as anybody in the west when healthy, minus the warriors.

It's hard to take any of you all serious, frankly, when you continue to spout that Mike's contract is an albatross and way too much. Or when you criticize Gasol, after his best season as a pro. It's pretty difficult I have to say to take you serious.

Frankly, Tony and Zbo both had good seasons.  

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godrick15    0
4 hours ago, Father Pat said:

No. I think that would have been very wrong.

We were the worst shooting team in the league. That isn't going to get better by hanging on to and relying on the same old players.

The Grizzlies can't attract quality free agents, nor can they afford to go over the tax. That leaves trading and the draft. In order to get a decent player in a trade you have to have talent that you can part with. It all boils down to the fact that in order to compete, the Grizzlies absolutely must develop players. It needs to be the FO's prime motivation.

I disagree. Grizz kept up with the 2nd seed in playoffs. This is without 2 key players. Parsons would help a lot on offense and having Tony would of been phenomenal against Kawhi and Parker. We have yet to see what this squad would of been capable of.

You can't expect to compete and develop through draft. I don't know how you could think that. Unless you hope for tank, but no. Trade? We have 0 assets. Go all in now or blow it up.

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lions    0

Like i said in past posts our grizzlies are a 30-35 win  team . it was a good seven year run. RELAX the road will be hard, we will be back in about 3 years

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6 hours ago, Kevin B Moses said:

Is it realistic to say all of our younger players are worthless 1 to 2 years in? I think that is extreme. You also bury your head in the sand when I mentioned that among the western elite last year the grizzlies were one of the 2 best teams by record against them.

Your view is that everything is failing off the rails, when in reality, the only thing you have to support that is your pessimistic view of our players and a couple of mediocre regular season records.

The problem is that you've been saying this for at least 3 years so it doesn't matter if the grizzlies were coming off a 50 win season and a second round birth in the playoffs being up two to one with a hurt conley, or if we were coming off a season were we had a ton of injuries and went 44-38.

So, your opinion, with your "evidence," is pretty weak considering that it doesn't matter what the grizzlies do on the court. Only your perception of who they are that matters.

Again, the grizzlies aren't trying to cash out on Mike and Marc, what about that don't you understand? The grizzlies, despite what you think, are as good as anybody in the west when healthy, minus the warriors.

It's hard to take any of you all serious, frankly, when you continue to spout that Mike's contract is an albatross and way too much. Or when you criticize Gasol, after his best season as a pro. It's pretty difficult I have to say to take you serious.

Frankly, Tony and Zbo both had good seasons.  

 

Yes, our young players are crap.

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10 hours ago, Kevin B Moses said:

Is it realistic to say all of our younger players are worthless 1 to 2 years in? I think that is extreme. You also bury your head in the sand when I mentioned that among the western elite last year the grizzlies were one of the 2 best teams by record against them.

Your view is that everything is failing off the rails, when in reality, the only thing you have to support that is your pessimistic view of our players and a couple of mediocre regular season records.

The problem is that you've been saying this for at least 3 years so it doesn't matter if the grizzlies were coming off a 50 win season and a second round birth in the playoffs being up two to one with a hurt conley, or if we were coming off a season were we had a ton of injuries and went 44-38.

So, your opinion, with your "evidence," is pretty weak considering that it doesn't matter what the grizzlies do on the court. Only your perception of who they are that matters.

Again, the grizzlies aren't trying to cash out on Mike and Marc, what about that don't you understand? The grizzlies, despite what you think, are as good as anybody in the west when healthy, minus the warriors.

It's hard to take any of you all serious, frankly, when you continue to spout that Mike's contract is an albatross and way too much. Or when you criticize Gasol, after his best season as a pro. It's pretty difficult I have to say to take you serious.

Frankly, Tony and Zbo both had good seasons.  

This is what I get for trying to have an actual discussion with you.  I won't make that mistake again.

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42 minutes ago, The Truth is OUT said:

This is what I get for trying to have an actual discussion with you.  I won't make that mistake again.

I'm not sure what you expected me to reply with when you dump on every player we have on the team.

Last year, all I heard from the board was Gasol is coming off a knee injury, his career is over. Turns out, all of you were wrong as he became an allstar once again.

It gets pretty tiring to go on the boards these days and have to hear the same sky is failing bellyaching day after day.

Everybody on the board was saying jam will be getting 15 million and as far as I can tell, nobody has even scheduled a meeting with him yet. It's just another instance of the falling sky rhetoric that plagues the board.

If you think it is fun coming to this board anymore you are wrong. But it's the only board that you can talk about the grizzlies on, so I have to suffer.

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12 hours ago, Kevin B Moses said:

So, your opinion, with your "evidence," is pretty weak considering that it doesn't matter what the grizzlies do on the court. Only your perception of who they are that matters.

Says the guy who just called a team that has won 42 and 43 games the last two seasons and has not made it out of the first round in either of those two seasons an elite team. I am glad you love your team so much you consider them elite when what they have done on the court shows they are not. They are good. They are a playoff team. They are not elite, unless you consider more than a third of the league elite. The whole resume matters not just a handful of games.

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11 minutes ago, lsugrizzfan said:

Says the guy who just called a team that has won 42 and 43 games the last two seasons and has not made it out of the first round in either of those two seasons an elite team. I am glad you love your team so much you consider them elite when what they have done on the court shows they are not. They are good. They are a playoff team. They are not elite, unless you consider more than a third of the league elite. The whole resume matters not just a handful of games.

Last year they lost games to bottom feeders and it cost them. But they also had the best record against the western elite without Chandler giving them anything, and tony being hurt. So in a vacuum, you might be right, but you are choosing to focus on what makes your argument better.

I still have hope for Chandler, but again, if they don't bring back zbo and tony will a healthy Parsons only be a lateral move, is the question. I don't know the answer to it.

But yes I still believe in this team that with the right circumstances and some luck they can win a title.

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54 minutes ago, Kevin B Moses said:

Last year they lost games to bottom feeders and it cost them. But they also had the best record against the western elite without Chandler giving them anything, and tony being hurt. So in a vacuum, you might be right, but you are choosing to focus on what makes your argument better.

I still have hope for Chandler, but again, if they don't bring back zbo and tony will a healthy Parsons only be a lateral move, is the question. I don't know the answer to it.

But yes I still believe in this team that with the right circumstances and some luck they can win a title.

Truth

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King Dork    0

If Chandler Parsons isn't Allstar level next year the Grizz don't make the playoffs. Again at some point either you blow it up on purpose or it blows up in your face. When you choose to do it you can leverage your assets, when it happens to you it takes much longer. 

They chose to blow up Pau's team and it was a relatively quick rebuild. On the other hand the Timberwolves were forced into a rebuild by waiting too long and have been out of the playoffs for over a decade. 

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King Dork    0
23 minutes ago, Jetfixer said:

Pau's teams were 0-12 in the playoffs 

The last 2 years the Grizzlies are 2-8. They also just lost their 6th man for nothing and will also probably lose the starting PF and their defensive specialist for nothing as well. So should they wait to get swept in the playoffs or not even make it, waiting for Ben McLemore to be the savior when it's been proven he's not that guy? Teams that have been consistently great don't wait for decisions to be made for them. The Spurs, Celtics, Rockets and Warriors are proactive. 

Boston blew up a playoff team for a draft haul and look at them now. 

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Jetfixer    0

I'm not crying over Zbo and Tony, although two of my favorite all time. Tony has missed the playoffs two of the last three years due to injuries. Zach got paid more than I would pay him, good for him, likely his last big money.

 

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Jetfixer    0

Boston and Houston have not been consistently great, we have been better, yes they are looking good now.

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8 minutes ago, Jetfixer said:

Boston and Houston have not been consistently great, we have been better, yes they are looking good now.

What?

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King Dork    0
1 minute ago, Jetfixer said:

Boston and Houston have not been consistently great, we have been better, yes they are looking good now.

Boston in 3 years went from top 3 in the East with KG, Paul Pierce and Rondo to top 2 in the east with Isaiah Thomas, Al Horfard and Gordon Hayward. Houston went from contending with T-Mac and Yao to a tough playoff out with Kyle Lowry to contending with James Harden and now Chris Paul along side him. Consistency through rebuilds without long lulls in between is what I'm talking about. By being proactive you can avoid Minnesota/Philadelphia levels of non relevance. 

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Jetfixer    0

Yes, I definitely missed on the Rockets they have 5 more wins in the last five years, Boston has 39 less wins in that time. They both are better now, and I know historically. I was talking the current years, but I did miss.

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chipc3    0
On 7/3/2017 at 0:54 PM, El Guapo said:

Definitely a tough call when everything is considered. My plan would be to let the dust settle, let the first half of the season play out, and revisit the plan before the trade deadline. Maybe things are clearer then?

I'm not sure what the FO plan is anymore

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5 minutes ago, chipc3 said:

I'm not sure what the FO plan is anymore

i mean...like we have three max players..with ALOT of young guys...why waste conley/parsons/gasol prime years...im starting to get a feeling they going to trade marc(the oldest of the 3)...also i wonder how fizz feels about this...he said he didnt come here to rebuild...well it looks like we are rebuilding.

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BnaBreaker    0

Pretty rich seeing Kevin Moses, the guy who has made multiple threads over the years dramatically declaring to be 'done,' lecturing people about being overly negative and losing faith in the team.  

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King Dork    0

With all of that said if Chandler has a bounce back year where he scores maybe 16 a game and starts to look like his old self and the Grizz use the rest of this free agency period wisely by finding a guy who serves a true purpose like a Irsan ilyasova (if he'd play like the Milwaukee version of himself) and Rade has a good rookie season and 1 or 2 of the younger guys improve into serviceability then the team has a real shot at improving. 

But, that's a lot that has to break right...

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Jetfixer    0
1 hour ago, King Dork said:

With all of that said if Chandler has a bounce back year where he scores maybe 16 a game and starts to look like his old self and the Grizz use the rest of this free agency period wisely by finding a guy who serves a true purpose like a Irsan ilyasova (if he'd play like the Milwaukee version of himself) and Rade has a good rookie season and 1 or 2 of the younger guys improve into serviceability then the team has a real shot at improving. 

But, that's a lot that has to break right...

I'm hoping for the best for sure. We need a young guy or two to be over achievers.

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The NBA isn't all that difficult to figure out...if you have 2 player that are top 5 at their positions, you will be in the playoff hunt. The Pels missed last year and fit this category but both of their guys play a similar/same role.

Mike-top 7 pg

Mark- top 5 C

the best bet would be playoffs next year barring injury to those 2.

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2 hours ago, Back2Grizzness said:

The NBA isn't all that difficult to figure out...if you have 2 player that are top 5 at their positions, you will be in the playoff hunt. The Pels missed last year and fit this category but both of their guys play a similar/same role.

Mike-top 7 pg

Mark- top 5 C

the best bet would be playoffs next year barring injury to those 2.

you know what gives me hope that we make the playoffs next season...looking at the roster we have a chance to still be a elite level def. and that will win us alot of games.

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On 7/4/2017 at 7:23 PM, Back2Grizzness said:

The NBA isn't all that difficult to figure out...if you have 2 player that are top 5 at their positions, you will be in the playoff hunt. The Pels missed last year and fit this category but both of their guys play a similar/same role.

Mike-top 7 pg

Mark- top 5 C

the best bet would be playoffs next year barring injury to those 2.

I wanted to disagree with this statement. I even went so far as to bring up the Timberwolves with Wiggins and Towns but after looking at the standings it is hard to argue with it. 
 

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