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Grizzlies Mobile: Grizzlies Post-Season Wrap-Up http://yi.nzc.am/bZktl6

 

Around 95:00 mark of the Exit Interviews segment

 

Absolutely refreshing to actually hear them call out Marc passing out of matchup advantages and even shying away from Danny Green and Tony Parker at some points.

 

I think Prancia is right. 20 fga minimum should be required by your star players and zero attempts in the 4th is pathetic. It's not like he was being doubled. They even went on to say Marc was the only one who didn't go down swinging. Ouch.

 

Looks like we're not alone.

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Gasol just isnt as talented as some make him out to be. He is tall and can shoot. Takes more than that. Even just "being more aggressive." When he is going he is making jump shots, some fairly well contested. Unfortunately this doesnt last and when the other team tightens up on him his rhythm fades. Also he clearly isnt comfortable even against smaller players if you create any type of traffic or lurking double teamers in the lane. This isnt changing.

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Gasol just isnt as talented as some make him out to be. He is tall and can shoot. Takes more than that. Even just "being more aggressive." When he is going he is making jump shots, some fairly well contested. Unfortunately this doesnt last and when the other team tightens up on him his rhythm fades. Also he clearly isnt comfortable even against smaller players if you create any type of traffic or lurking double teamers in the lane. This isnt changing.

Yep. He's a championship-level third option. I'm starting to realize that it's everyone else's fault for expecting him to be more than that.

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Yep. He's a championship-level third option. I'm starting to realize that it's everyone else's fault for expecting him to be more than that.

Except he's shown he's capable of more. He has inside footwork, a huge mismatch advantage against 90% of teams. We actually performed best this past season when he was the aggressor.

 

There's a reason why everyone is so frustrated with him.

 

Passing out every chance possible doesn't make you a 3rd option either it makes you a blackhole

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Grizzlies Mobile: Grizzlies Post-Season Wrap-Up http://yi.nzc.am/bZktl6

 

Around 95:00 mark of the Exit Interviews segment

 

Absolutely refreshing to actually hear them call out Marc passing out of matchup advantages and even shying away from Danny Green and Tony Parker at some points.

 

I think Prancia is right. 20 fga minimum should be required by your star players and zero attempts in the 4th is pathetic. It's not like he was being doubled. They even went on to say Marc was the only one who didn't go down swinging. Ouch.

 

Looks like we're not alone.

 

 

This is Mike's team, while Marc anchors the defense. The grizzlies need to transition to a running team next year even more.  

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Except he's shown he's capable of more. He has inside footwork, a huge mismatch advantage against 90% of teams. We actually performed best this past season when he was the aggressor.

 

There's a reason why everyone is so frustrated with him.

 

Passing out every chance possible doesn't make you a 3rd option either it makes you a blackhole

Gasol is Lamar Odom/Kevin Love level, supremely talented, mismatch 3rd option, not reliable enough to be more than that. 

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Except he's shown he's capable of more. He has inside footwork, a huge mismatch advantage against 90% of teams. We actually performed best this past season when he was the aggressor.

 

There's a reason why everyone is so frustrated with him.

 

Passing out every chance possible doesn't make you a 3rd option either it makes you a blackhole

He's too inconsistent though. If he doesn't have it going you can stick pretty much anyone on him and he won't be able to do anything. He doesn't have the athleticism that true stars have to overcome nights when he doesn't have it.

 

When he's on he's the best center in the league. But he's just not on enough to rely on him as a top-2 option. Best to just let him take over when he is able to instead of relying on him to do it every night, because he will fail you if that's what you want from him.

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He's too inconsistent though. If he doesn't have it going you can stick pretty much anyone on him and he won't be able to do anything. He doesn't have the athleticism that true stars have to overcome nights when he doesn't have it.

 

When he's on he's the best center in the league. But he's just not on enough to rely on him as a top-2 option. Best to just let him take over when he is able to instead of relying on him to do it every night, because he will fail you if that's what you want from him.

Yes. Its not really about your scoring average or even your efficiency. True top options can simply turn it on and up when the team needs its. Being hot one quarter or one random night which inflates your average doesnt mean much if you shrink in the big moments.

 

Gasol has NEVER shown the ability to turn it up when the chips are down for the team as a whole. He has NEVER shown the ability to take advantage of obvious mismatches. This is a role player.

 

You cant watch team after team basically put who they want on him, rarely hard doubleteam him and call that player an offensive superstar or even one that has the potential. That basically contradicts what a superstar is. A superstar causes the other team to change their defense. Gasol NEVER does this. Never.

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Yes. Its not really about your scoring average or even your efficiency. True top options can simply turn it on and up when the team needs its. Being hot one quarter or one random night which inflates your average doesnt mean much if you shrink in the big moments.

 

Gasol has NEVER shown the ability to turn it up when the chips are down for the team as a whole. He has NEVER shown the ability to take advantage of obvious mismatches. This is a role player.

 

You cant watch team after team basically put who they want on him, rarely hard doubleteam him and call that player an offensive superstar or even one that has the potential. That basically contradicts what a superstar is. A superstar causes the other team to change their defense. Gasol NEVER does this. Never.

 

 

He did it with Hollins. Because Hollins didn't put up with Marc's bull****.

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Can't wait until Vinsanity is doing TV full time. He is a natural at it. But we need him to play next year.

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Marc Gasol is who he is and he ain't bad. Not sure he is the fit on a team with such limited scoring options and iffy shooters but honestly the problem is PARSON'S contract slot not performing.

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He did it with Hollins. Because Hollins didn't put up with Marc's bull****.

More like he had Zbo and some Rudy/Mayo to take attention off him so he can do what he does best.

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Gasol is capable, just not willing often enough.

 

Can he develop that? Probably not. Which is why we need to at least be weighing our options with him.

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I don't get it Marc was never a go-to guy in the Hollins days either. He averaged like 13ppg. He just had a prime Zbo to dominate the glass and make his life easier.

 

He is what he is. He's an elite-level role player with a unique skillset for his size.

 

My real concern is the fit next year even with a 100% Parsons. Neither has the footspeed to keep up with dynamic frontcourt players even on their best days. We need like 4 Jamychals to run into the ground and cycle into that frontcourt.

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Marc was certainly too passive in the SAS series, but he's much better than what some people on here are saying.  Below are some of his achievements:

  • Three time NBA All-Star
  • NBA Defensive Player of the Year (2013)
  • All NBA First Team (2015)
  • All NBA Second Team (2013)

I agree that Marc probably isn't a #1 option on a top-level team, but he's still VERY good.  

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Marc was certainly too passive in the SAS series, but he's much better than what some people on here are saying.  Below are some of his achievements:

  • Three time NBA All-Star
  • NBA Defensive Player of the Year (2013)
  • All NBA First Team (2015)
  • All NBA Second Team (2013)

I agree that Marc probably isn't a #1 option on a top-level team, but he's still VERY good.  

 

Here's marc's numbers compared to other players during the playoffs.

 

23rd in scoring

80th in FG%

13th in 3 pt %

22nd in assists

31st in rebounding

3 way tie for 41st in blocks

8 way tie for 113th in steals

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Marc was certainly too passive in the SAS series, but he's much better than what some people on here are saying.  Below are some of his achievements:

  • Three time NBA All-Star
  • NBA Defensive Player of the Year (2013)
  • All NBA First Team (2015)
  • All NBA Second Team (2013)

I agree that Marc probably isn't a #1 option on a top-level team, but he's still VERY good.  

Those achievements are the reason everyone expects more from him

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Marc was certainly too passive in the SAS series, but he's much better than what some people on here are saying.  Below are some of his achievements:

  • Three time NBA All-Star
  • NBA Defensive Player of the Year (2013)
  • All NBA First Team (2015)
  • All NBA Second Team (2013)

I agree that Marc probably isn't a #1 option on a top-level team, but he's still VERY good.  

 

Those achievements are the reason everyone expects more from him

 

Well, he definitely didn't step it up  like a lot of his supporters claimed he would do in the playoffs.  Besides the first game, he showed very little passion to win.

 

Regular season for marc:  34.2 minutes, 19.5 points on .459 shooting (.388 on 3 pointers), 6.3 rebounds, 4.6 assists, 1.3 blocks, .9 steals, 2.2 turnovers, 2.3 fouls.

 

Playoff season for marc:  40 minutes, 19.3 points on .470 shooting (.583 on 3 pointers), 6.5 rebounds, 4.2 assists, .7 block, .3 steal, 2.5 turnovers, 3.7 fouls.

 

Marc averaged two less shot attempts per game in the playoffs vs regular season.

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On 5/2/2017 at 2:13 PM, tmoneyinmphs said:

 

Here's marc's numbers compared to other players during the playoffs.

 

23rd in scoring

80th in FG%

13th in 3 pt %

22nd in assists

31st in rebounding

3 way tie for 41st in blocks

8 way tie for 113th in steals

Right.  Which is why I said he was too passive in the playoffs.  He didn't have a good series.  But, he's still a really good player, in all.  The achievements I listed back that up

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On 5/2/2017 at 2:13 PM, tmoneyinmphs said:

 

Here's marc's numbers compared to other players during the playoffs.

 

23rd in scoring

80th in FG%

13th in 3 pt %

22nd in assists

31st in rebounding

3 way tie for 41st in blocks

8 way tie for 113th in steals

How did you get those stats?  23rd in scoring, is that total number of points, or points per game?  80th in FG%, that means any schmoe who plays in garbage time and hits 1/1 or 2/3 is probably going to be ahead of him.  These stats need more information to put them in context.

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1 hour ago, smit-tay griz said:

How did you get those stats?  23rd in scoring, is that total number of points, or points per game?  80th in FG%, that means any schmoe who plays in garbage time and hits 1/1 or 2/3 is probably going to be ahead of him.  These stats need more information to put them in context.

What difference do stats make when a player clearly doesn't give his all in a playoff game? The true context anyone needs to know is that it was a win or go home situation and he shrunk when we needed him most. In that last 4th quarter he showed us who he really is, and the worst part is that deep down we knew it all along but always held on to false hope anyway. His heart doesn't match his talent. Just who he is.

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On 5/2/2017 at 2:13 PM, tmoneyinmphs said:

 

Here's marc's numbers compared to other players during the playoffs.

 

23rd in scoring

80th in FG%

13th in 3 pt %

22nd in assists

31st in rebounding

3 way tie for 41st in blocks

8 way tie for 113th in steals

The achievements that actually matter! Lol

Seriously that was another dud Marc moment.

The fact he has all star game appearances now it's great, good trade value.

Really, Marc has good trade value, I think it's perfect timing. If he didn't show up this playoffs in another winnable series, series he could have put us over both times (talking SAS & GS) he never will. Ship him, **** his early regular season greatness.. It means nothing by the end. It's actually counter productive because players are confused and have to compensate for his disappearing act.

 

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