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We're About To See How Much The Organization Is Committed To Fizdale's Style Of Play

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41 minutes ago, Kevin B Moses said:

Come on man. Daniels and Wright are what they are. Baldwin and Martin still have a ton of potential. If wright can't get into the playoff rotation that is damning. Daniels is a specialist that doesn't quite fit the team due to his lack of innerchangabilty on defense.

I also think that Fiz was happy with the progress of our 3 point shooting without Daniels. 

 

Keep in mind that Fiz does believe that development can occur at any age.  Daniels is only 25 and Wright is 28 the book isn't  closed on them yet.   Not playing in one series in the playoffs isn't the defining factor.   Especially considering Zbo played all those minutes yet he doesn't fit Fiz system going forward. 

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2 hours ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

I now believe that zbo should only come back if Gasol is gone.   It's time to really start developing Davis and see what Martin can do.  That will be impossible if JaMyke, Gasol, and Zbo were all back.    Trading Wright and letting Zbo walk still gives us a 4 Big rotation of Gasol, JaM, DD, and Martin.   On paper those guys have the physical profiles and skillsets to excel in Fiz system.   Also keep in mind that if Chandler is healthy at all his new best fit will be at PF.    JaMyke is going to get paid so gone are the days where he is only playing 20mpg - i expect that to be bumped up to atleast 27mpg.  

 

Zbo won't be happy sitting on the bench as the 10th man and neither will his fans.  So unfortunately he needs to go. 

 

Echoing your earlier point - Gasol and Vince were mentioned as the guys that have taken Deyonta under their wings.   Harrison has stated that Conley has done the same with him.   Rarely hear that about Zbo and TA outside of saying that they have a big brother type of relationship with certain younger players. 

Agreed I don't care to have a big lumbering post man that's why im pro trade Marc and pro let zbo walk

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On 5/8/2017 at 7:24 PM, Father Pat said:

Has the worst shooting team in the league ever won a championship? Made it to their conference finals? Won a playoff series? Oh wait, the T-Wolves were 8th in FG% but only managed 31 wins....now look over here, Nuggets were 6th in FG% and won 3 less games than the Grizzlies. SO WHAT???  What the heck do they have to do with the Grizzlies being the worst shooting team in the league? About the same as they have to do with the Warriors being the best shooting team in the league.

...but at least we have a good half court game!!! Looks like the worst shooting team just found out no matter how good your defense is you still have to score more than your opponent. Who would have thought that? It is beyond moronic to argue that being the worst shooting team is not so bad, but I'm sure you will try.

 

to be fair, the Grizzlies weren't a bad 3 point shooting team in the playoffs.

They (currently) have the 4th best % of playoff teams, rank 8th in 3PM.

 

The team that ended the season wasn't the same as that lethargic shooting team during parts of the season.

 

However, to the point, the Grizzlies have to shoot better % to win.  It kills them defensively when the other team doesn't have to take the ball out of bounds.

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6 minutes ago, Grizzled Vet said:

 

to be fair, the Grizzlies weren't a bad 3 point shooting team in the playoffs.

They (currently) have the 4th best % of playoff teams, rank 8th in 3PM.

 

The team that ended the season wasn't the same as that lethargic shooting team during parts of the season.

 

However, to the point, the Grizzlies have to shoot better % to win.  It kills them defensively when the other team doesn't have to take the ball out of bounds.

Does the fact that Tony, Toney, and Chandler weren't suiting up in the playoffs factor into this equation?

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Yes.

Also the fact Harrison shot better, as did several of the Grizzlies, especially once the weight of Parsons not being out there is factored in.

Hopefully that Parsons doesn't return.

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3 hours ago, Grizzled Vet said:

Yes.

Also the fact Harrison shot better, as did several of the Grizzlies, especially once the weight of Parsons not being out there is factored in.

Hopefully that Parsons doesn't return.

Funny thing about Harrison, he had a very good 3 pt % from the corners ( I believe it was over 40%).

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Please, someone, tell me what is fizzdales' style of play.This cat was still swapping out starting lineups and had no rotation set at the end of the regular season.

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BUMP? What is the matter, I thought all you  Fizz guys could answer a simple question.Aetherium Shard 

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3 hours ago, redeye said:

BUMP? What is the matter, I thought all you  Fizz guys could answer a simple question.Aetherium Shard 

His style is an open free flowing system where the main action comes off the PnR and it gives Mike the freedom to make a decision with the ball. The zbo isos is not Fizzball but it's the only thing zbo can do. 

 

The lineup changes were do to how poorly the roster was built and the fact fizz had to incorporate a broken Chandler Parsons  into the lineup.  Early in the season before Ennis got hurt he was playing well in the starting lineup.  But he came back around the same  tine the Parsons experiment was going on and it messed things up

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Was the Ivan Rabb pick simply the best player available at this point of the draft or a slap in the face of Fizdale's stretch 4 philosophy? Rabb is a great rebounder but extremely limited offensively and without any range. 

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13 minutes ago, chipc3 said:

Was the Ivan Rabb pick simply the best player available at this point of the draft or a slap in the face of Fizdale's stretch 4 philosophy? Rabb is a great rebounder but extremely limited offensively and without any range. 

According to him he can shoot but there is little evidence.

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1 minute ago, Ndq0327 said:

According to him he can shoot but there is little evidence.

Who's "him"? Are you saying Wallace says he can shoot or Rabb says he can shoot? 

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I think its time to get rid of everyone on this team that can't make 3's and run the floor.  Marc Gasol needs freedom to go anywhere on the court he wants.   We don't really need a low post big with him.  We need a high post or stretch big that can move.  TA kills the offense because he is self-guarded.  The pace of the league has taken half court defense out of the equation because teams spend most their time in transition or scoring in 12 seconds or less.   If Mike and Marc are superstars, we should be able to surround them with mid level role players and be successful in the next 3 years.

 

YO

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59 minutes ago, chipc3 said:

Who's "him"? Are you saying Wallace says he can shoot or Rabb says he can shoot? 

Rabb

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Both picks actually fit Fizz style quite well.   Offensively Rabb may be best utilized as a low-post scorer and rebounder but he actually thrived in the more faster paced system that allows transition opportunities moreso than slow tempo half-court ball. 

Although Rabb didn't dominate in college by any means, there is still plenty to like about him as a NBA prospect. His potential starts with his physical profile as he is a mobile big man measured at 6'10 with a 7'2 wingspan who moves around the offensive side of the floor easily. He will need to add some strength to his 220 pound frame to be able to compete on the interior, as he has struggled to hold his own inside the paint against other NBA caliber big men from time to time. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ivan-Rabb-7245/ ©DraftExpress

 

He doesn't have to shoot 3s as a big man in order to fit Fizz style.   I view him as potentially a zbo+brandan wright hybrid.  He is an athletic rim-running, low post scoring, rebounder.   Those are skills needed in any offense and can compliment Marc well in the long run.    I have no issue with the pick if he is allowed to develop.  

 

Dillon Brooks swiss-army knife offensive skillset and powerful frame makes up for his lack of athleticism and length.  He has a scorer's mentality and is a  fierce competitor.  He is a good shooter/scorer and that is something that can easily fit into Fiz system.   I am not scared away by his lack of athelticism. If Vince was athletic enough at 41 to defend guys at a good level i see no reason why Dillon cannot become one too.  Besides he is still more athletic than Jordan Adams was.   Low risk high reward guy. 

 

I am good with the picks and they should easily fit into Fiz philosophy.   Remember Fizz never said he wants a team full of 3pt chuckers he just wants a bunch of skilled offensive players, that are versatile defensively.   Both of these guys fit that profile. 

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14 minutes ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

Both picks actually fit Fizz style quite well.   Offensively Rabb may be best utilized as a low-post scorer and rebounder but he actually thrived in the more faster paced system that allows transition opportunities moreso than slow tempo half-court ball. 

Although Rabb didn't dominate in college by any means, there is still plenty to like about him as a NBA prospect. His potential starts with his physical profile as he is a mobile big man measured at 6'10 with a 7'2 wingspan who moves around the offensive side of the floor easily. He will need to add some strength to his 220 pound frame to be able to compete on the interior, as he has struggled to hold his own inside the paint against other NBA caliber big men from time to time. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ivan-Rabb-7245/ ©DraftExpress

 

He doesn't have to shoot 3s as a big man in order to fit Fizz style.   I view him as potentially a zbo+brandan wright hybrid.  He is an athletic rim-running, low post scoring, rebounder.   Those are skills needed in any offense and can compliment Marc well in the long run.    I have no issue with the pick if he is allowed to develop.  

 

Dillon Brooks swiss-army knife offensive skillset and powerful frame makes up for his lack of athleticism and length.  He has a scorer's mentality and is a  fierce competitor.  He is a good shooter/scorer and that is something that can easily fit into Fiz system.   I am not scared away by his lack of athelticism. If Vince was athletic enough at 41 to defend guys at a good level i see no reason why Dillon cannot become one too.  Besides he is still more athletic than Jordan Adams was.   Low risk high reward guy. 

 

I am good with the picks and they should easily fit into Fiz philosophy.   Remember Fizz never said he wants a team full of 3pt chuckers he just wants a bunch of skilled offensive players, that are versatile defensively.   Both of these guys fit that profile. 

As much as I love your optimism fizz didn't want to use zbo and he didn't use Brandon hardly so having a blended version isn't going to make it any better. Rabb can't guard the perimeter and is questionable guarding the post. There were three amazingly better options that we could have talked ourselves into much easier. Rabb was just a talent grab that I hope becomes a trade asset at some point

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18 minutes ago, BHZMAFIA said:

Kobi Simmons has that 6th man flamethrower potential

I really like that we got him he's young and we can keep him on the Hustle and watch him develop.

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1 minute ago, Ndq0327 said:

As much as I love your optimism fizz didn't want to use zbo and he didn't use Brandon hardly so having a blended version isn't going to make it any better. Rabb can't guard the perimeter and is questionable guarding the post. There were three amazingly better options that we could have talked ourselves into much easier. Rabb was just a talent grab that I hope becomes a trade asset at some point

That isn't true about Brandan Wright - remember he actually started him a few games.   The problem with BW is 100% dude wasn't healthy till the last 3rd of the season.  That made it real difficult to work him into the rotation.    BW not being used in the playoffs was simply a matchup issue. I guarantee if we played HOU he would've gotten minutes. 

 

I don't expect Rabb to play a role this season outside of Hustle primary Center.  I am only viewing him as a future piece.   Rabb probably can potentially be an Ed Davis type which could be effective in Fizz system. To me he really signals the end of the Zbo era because he and DD fit more in the traditional mold offensively like Zbo does.   JaM is the more difficult to replace internally. 

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33 minutes ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

That isn't true about Brandan Wright - remember he actually started him a few games.   The problem with BW is 100% dude wasn't healthy till the last 3rd of the season.  That made it real difficult to work him into the rotation.    BW not being used in the playoffs was simply a matchup issue. I guarantee if we played HOU he would've gotten minutes. 

 

I don't expect Rabb to play a role this season outside of Hustle primary Center.  I am only viewing him as a future piece.   Rabb probably can potentially be an Ed Davis type which could be effective in Fizz system. To me he really signals the end of the Zbo era because he and DD fit more in the traditional mold offensively like Zbo does.   JaM is the more difficult to replace internally. 

I think they made the harder choice but I will try and be optomistic

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Just now, Ndq0327 said:

I think they made the harder choice but I will try and be optomistic

That's all i can ask for brother!  lol  

I mean we have all been saying for years i wish the team would get younger.  Looks like they finally listened to us!

 

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1 hour ago, Ndq0327 said:

As much as I love your optimism fizz didn't want to use zbo and he didn't use Brandon hardly so having a blended version isn't going to make it any better. Rabb can't guard the perimeter and is questionable guarding the post. There were three amazingly better options that we could have talked ourselves into much easier. Rabb was just a talent grab that I hope becomes a trade asset at some point

The fact that fizz benched jam in the second half of that playoff game in favor of zbo, doesn't seem to fit your point.

If fizz was forced to play zbo as you suspect, he certainly wasn't obligated to start him in the second have of a playoff game. That was solely fizz's decision.

That's just you making up scenarios in your head.

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8 minutes ago, Kevin B Moses said:

The fact that fizz benched jam in the second half of that playoff game in favor of zbo, doesn't seem to fit your point.

If fizz was forced to play zbo as you suspect, he certainly wasn't obligated to start him in the second have of a playoff game. That was solely fizz's decision.

That's just you making up scenarios in your head.

Man just go back on ignore for a few months I can't deal.

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1 minute ago, Ndq0327 said:

Man just go back on ignore for a few months I can't deal.

I know you can't argue it because I pinned you in.

In no universe was fizz forced to play zbo. That's bunk.

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