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Toney Douglas Out, Wayne Selden In

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Hopefully it won't matter.

 

Next season we need a serious wing just in case Parsons never recovers. Don't know who is available but neither Williams or Seldon are the answer.

 

Be nice if we somehow struck gold and Rade is a stud.

Good lord how long we been needing a serious wing?

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Funny but last season so many people complained that the D-League didn't help people reach the NBA. I remember people being so critical of Joerger using the D-League to help players stay in shape who wouldn't otherwise play. 

 

Amazing how improved the D-League is this season since no one is complaining about Baldwin, Martin and once again Davis playing so many games down there. 

 

I think part of that is the perception that Fizz plays his younger guys real minutes.  That and the zany way they have been rotating them in and out (which I think it's either this year or last year was the first time teams could shuffle players so freely).

 

I wonder how that perception will change once our D-League team is right around the corner?

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I think Troy Williams has more upside but I will say that Selden is a lot more consistent.

 

It's more annoying that we let a talented piece go for absolutely nothing. Complete boneheaded and shortsighted move from Chris Wallace.

 

Sad thing is that out of Harrison, Selden and Williams, I would say Harrison is the odd man out but he's been the one getting the most pt in the NBA and the biggest opportunity. IDK, maybe because he spent a year in teh D-League and they are true rookies. 

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Sad thing is that out of Harrison, Selden and Williams, I would say Harrison is the odd man out but he's been the one getting the most pt in the NBA and the biggest opportunity. IDK, maybe because he spent a year in teh D-League and they are true rookies.

Why does everyone seem to forget that Harrison is a PG? The only rookie that competes with him is Baldwin.

 

the wing rookies are competing with Tony, Ennis, Vince and Daniels so in other words the deck is stacked against them.

 

So no Harrison isn't the odd man out and that says more about Wade than it does him.

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Why does everyone seem to forget that Harrison is a PG? The only rookie that competes with him is Baldwin.

 

the wing rookies are competing with Tony, Ennis, Vince and Daniels so in other words the deck is stacked against them.

 

So no Harrison isn't the odd man out and that says more about Wade than it does him.

Correct, not sure why this is so hard to understand unless people are getting confused by the very rare occasions where Harrison and Mike have both started.

 

It also says a lot about the talent evaluation and draft selections made by our FO (picking Baldwin, then realising he's not upto it right now, waiving Williams for Douglas, then realising Douglas was no good either)

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I think part of that is the mis-perception that Fizz plays his younger guys real minutes.  That and the zany way they have been rotating them in and out (which I think it's either this year or last year was the first time teams could shuffle players so freely).

 

I wonder how that perception will change once our D-League team is right around the corner?

 

Small correction in your post. 

 

The truth is Fizdale has played Harrison (some would say too much) not because of his love of his game but simply for the lack of any viable alternative. The rest of the youth has spent the majority of time in the D-League.

 

He played Davis and Martin early in the season when Parson and Wright were out and Gasol was on a severe minutes restriction. He played Williams when Parsons was out and Ennis was injured. He played Harrison and Baldwin when Conley was on a minutes restriction and injured. When Conley was freed up Baldwin went down. Fizdale benched Harrison to play Tony Allen at the point at one point and clearly preferred Toney Douglas over Harrison for a long period of time. Now the team is rolling the dice that Conley and/or Harrison won't get injured heading into the playoffs or who will be the PG? 

 

Now maybe the D-League can help younger players learn the game so they can come up and produce in the future. Or maybe Fizdale is just being given a pass this year because he is new and has a pretty wife. Or possibly, finally I might add, people are realizing that the coach doesn't have as much to say about rosters as posters believed last year and are properly directing their angst at the GM. 

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Correct, not sure why this is so hard to understand unless people are getting confused by the very rare occasions where Harrison and Mike have both started.

 

It also says a lot about the talent evaluation and draft selections made by our FO (picking Baldwin, then realising he's not upto it right now, waiving Williams for Douglas, then realising Douglas was no good either)

Let's hope we strike gold on the Rade Zagorac pick.  Because Herrington made a good point in his article yesterday in regards to Selden Vs Williams.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sports/nba/grizzlies/pick-and-pop/2017/03/20/pick-and-pop-grizzlies-move-forward-single-track/99419018/

Picking up free agent veteran guard Toney Douglas was a good move, and then a bad one. When Mike Conley was out and the Grizzlies were granted an extra roster spot to play around with, Douglas provided a nice short-term lift. But bringing him back to supplant Andrew Harrison cost the Grizzlies a player they liked in Troy Williams, whom the Grizzlies had on a cheap, team-controlled contract for next season. With talented wings hard to come by in the current NBA, a developmental play on Williams made a lot of sense. But the Houston Rockets snatched up Williams after the Grizzlies let him go, presumably for similarly speculative reasons.

Now, having soured on Douglas, the team has entered into a similar deal with Wayne Selden, the former Kansas guard with a prototype NBA two-guard body and prospect’s reputation who never fully bloomed in college. The question here is whether they would have preferred to bring back Williams if given the option.

In Williams favor: The team had both players in the preseason and made their choice then. Nothing in their relative NBA or (mainly) D League play (both with the Iowa Energy) is particularly suggestive either way.

In Selden’s favor: Position. Wing roles are somewhat interchangeable, but Williams projects more as a three, Selden as a two. Next season, the Grizzlies will, in theory, have a full depth chart at the three with Parsons, Ennis, and incoming rookie Rade Zagorac. The team will likely be looking for cost-effective contributors at the two. It’s worth trying to find out if Selden can be that.

So potential roster next season

PG: Mike/Harrison/Wade

SG: Selden/Daniels

SF: Parsons/Ennis/Rade

PF: Wright/*Zbo*/Martin

C: Gasol/Davis

 

That's 12 roster spots (including assumed resigned zbo).   Rade (profiles as a 6'9' shooter, w/some ball-handling and passing ability) seems like the natural successor to Parsons, if he never recovers.   Selden can become the new 3D wing hustle glue guy to replace Tony Allen.  He also being locked up on a cheap deal allows us to make another move in FA besides just resigning Zbo such as potentially being able to resign JaMyke or pickup TJones. 

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I hope there are no plans to start Seldon or Daniels next season. If the team is planning on letting Allen go and use those two as replacements the team won't be very good next year. 

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I doubt that is the plan but TA needs to be replaced by someone though

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I hope there are no plans to start Seldon or Daniels next season. If the team is planning on letting Allen go and use those two as replacements the team won't be very good next year. 

If Parsons is healthy then all you need is a low usage guy at the 2 that can hit open shots and defend.   Selden checks that box already.  However, like i pointed out we still have 3 open roster spots for them to make a run at a more proven option at SG. 

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If Parsons is healthy then all you need is a low usage guy at the 2 that can hit open shots and defend.   Selden checks that box already.  However, like i pointed out we still have 3 open roster spots for them to make a run at a more proven option at SG. 

 

 

I think that Andrew Harrison fits that bill perfectly.

 

I know, he sux as a back PG. And he is not what anyone would consider high usage SG. Yet, in the role of a low-usage sidekick to Mike then he COULD grow into that role very nicely, especially if Chandler can come back to any semblance of the player he was in Dallas. It goes without saying that Harrison would have to work on a number of deficiencies such as shooting. In the grand scheme of things he is really just a rookie after being in the DLeague all last year. It is not unreasonable to think that a second round player in his first full season in the Association will look lost on the court often when he is playing out of position.

 

The FO could then target an additional scorer (1) as well as another defensive wing (2)  to add to the bench and rotation.

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That was impressive. He made every single shot and dunk in that highlight reel.

They really should add some misses and broken plays to be more honest

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I think that Andrew Harrison fits that bill perfectly.

 

I know, he sux as a back PG. And he is not what anyone would consider high usage SG. Yet, in the role of a low-usage sidekick to Mike then he COULD grow into that role very nicely, especially if Chandler can come back to any semblance of the player he was in Dallas. It goes without saying that Harrison would have to work on a number of deficiencies such as shooting. In the grand scheme of things he is really just a rookie after being in the DLeague all last year. It is not unreasonable to think that a second round player in his first full season in the Association will look lost on the court often when he is playing out of position.

 

The FO could then target an additional scorer (1) as well as another defensive wing (2)  to add to the bench and rotation.

That argument was the reason why i was good with Fizdale starting Harrison.   Longterm i thought his best fit is probably as a combo guard/sidekick. 

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I doubt that is the plan but TA needs to be replaced by someone though

 

 

Looks like you get your wish. T.A is out indefinitely with a knee injury.

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Looks like you get your wish. T.A is out indefinitely with a knee injury.

Where did you see a report of TA being out indefinitely?

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Where did you see a report of TA being out indefinitely?

Nowhere. Just making **** up

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or Ennis may be slated for the starting SG slot, just depends on whether Tony returns.

 

If Tony does not return, they will need to get a fairly decent replacement in FA

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or Ennis may be slated for the starting SG slot, just depends on whether Tony returns.

 

If Tony does not return, they will need to get a fairly decent replacement in FA

We need a decent replacement even if TA returns

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We need a decent replacement even if TA returns

ideally yes that is true

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Nowhere. Just making **** up

 

Wrong, ********  .   Indefinitely means uncertain.

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Troy Williams is the better player with the higher ceiling. Another example of the lack of talent evaluation of Chris Wallace.

 

 

 

 

Is Chris Wallace really this bad or is he actively trying to be bad? I can't imagine how with so much more insight can an NBA GM miss so much. And by miss I mean HOLY **** here we go again. Another rotation player let slip after he was here first.

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Since they waived him I don't think he could be brought back this year I'm assuming they were planing on doing the Ennis thing again... But seriously I have no idea how he got an extension.

 

He needs to be FIRED

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