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Dwash    0
1 hour ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

Yep that's the option i vote for as well.   I love Daniels shooting ability but he is simply too one-dimensional to make a big fuss over.  His minutes are better served going to McLemore and Selden. 

We need roster spots more than anything. 

I agree. Daniels traded and Wright can just be bought out imo if JAM is resigned.

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3 hours ago, chipc3 said:

Of the three options I prefer the first one. The Grizzlies unload a salary for a player who is a one dimensional player easily silenced once defenses adjust to him. Dump the $3.4 million and give me the roster spot. 

 

3 hours ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

Yep that's the option i vote for as well.   I love Daniels shooting ability but he is simply too one-dimensional to make a big fuss over.  His minutes are better served going to McLemore and Selden. 

We need roster spots more than anything. 

A sure sign that Daniels will be back in a Grizzlies uniform this fall. GTF and I agree he should be gone! 

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4 minutes ago, chipc3 said:

 

A sure sign that Daniels will be back in a Grizzlies uniform this fall. GTF and I agree he should be gone! 

LOL sad but probably true. 

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Funny how far out of favor Daniels has fallen on these boards after last season when everyone was clamoring for him to get more playing time.  As a 12-15 player off the bench an explosive shooter could be useful.

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22 minutes ago, smit-tay griz said:

Funny how far out of favor Daniels has fallen on these boards after last season when everyone was clamoring for him to get more playing time.  As a 12-15 player off the bench an explosive shooter could be useful.

I agree. TD provided 3 point shooting. I thought that's what everyone wanted? He's supposed to be Fizz's type of player but he clearly wasn't. People think since we have BennyMacBo that he's a better player, the jury is still out on that. What people don't seem to understand is that BennyMac increased his % by being more selective and decreasing his attempts. TD is a gunner. TD made twice as many 3's as BennyMac did in fewer minutes while shooting a higher %. Last year was an off year for TD as far as % yet it was McLemore's CAREER HIGH and TD still had a higher %. I can see a second unit backcourt of Evans and TD doing some damage especially if Tyreke can still get past people. The defense will collapse on him and TD will be wide the flip open for 3.

I would get rid of Baldwin and Harrison before TD. TD is one dimensional but he's really good at that 1 dimension. He has a definable NBA skill as a 3 pt shooter. I can't say the same about Baldwin or Harrison or Rade or Martin or DD. I would like to see what he can do with a (healthy revitalized) Tyreke on that second unit.Out of all of the G combos we could have, I would rather see TD on the court with Reke than any player other than Conley. TD has a definable NBA skill in 3 pt shooting, simple and plain. We have so many question marks on this team and so much uncertainty. 

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4 minutes ago, Notorious O.D.K. said:

I agree. TD provided 3 point shooting. I thought that's what everyone wanted? He's supposed to be Fizz's type of player but he clearly wasn't. People think since we have BennyMacBo that he's a better player, the jury is still out on that. What people don't seem to understand is that BennyMac increased his % by being more selective and decreasing his attempts. TD is a gunner. TD made twice as many 3's as BennyMac did in fewer minutes while shooting a higher %. Last year was an off year for TD as far as % yet it was McLemore's CAREER HIGH and TD still had a higher %. I can see a second unit backcourt of Evans and TD doing some damage especially if Tyreke can still get past people. The defense will collapse on him and TD will be wide the flip open for 3.

I would get rid of Baldwin and Harrison before TD. TD is one dimensional but he's really good at that 1 dimension. He has a definable NBA skill as a 3 pt shooter. I can't say the same about Baldwin or Harrison or Rade or Martin or DD. I would like to see what he can do with a (healthy revitalized) Tyreke on that second unit.Out of all of the G combos we could have, I would rather see TD on the court with Reke than any player other than Conley. TD has a definable NBA skill in 3 pt shooting, simple and plain. We have so many question marks on this team and so much uncertainty. 

I agree with you except that I like Harrison better than you do I guess.  I don't think Harrison is ever going to be a star, he'll likely never score much.  But I see value in him as a role player who can be reliable enough to make few mistakes, he doesn't turn it over much, will go hard on defense, has a better knack at getting to the line more than all but a couple guys on the roster, and will make an occasional big play.  For a guy on a small contract that's okay with me.  Of course if you can work him into a deal for a really dynamic young guy, great, but I don't see that happening.

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6 minutes ago, smit-tay griz said:

I agree with you except that I like Harrison better than you do I guess.  I don't think Harrison is ever going to be a star, he'll likely never score much.  But I see value in him as a role player who can be reliable enough to make few mistakes, he doesn't turn it over much, will go hard on defense, has a better knack at getting to the line more than all but a couple guys on the roster, and will make an occasional big play.  For a guy on a small contract that's okay with me.  Of course if you can work him into a deal for a really dynamic young guy, great, but I don't see that happening.

I agree with this.

I wouldn't be dumping Harrison (for this season at least) and I would try to hold on as long as feasable to Daniels as a specialist gunner.

If Harrison is so bad, how come he got so much PT with Fizz? Where's Douglas? Where's Baldwin?

There are other candidates for the chop that are further at the front of the line than these two.

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Ndq0327    0

Fizz likes two way players not specialist TD is too one dimensional he can't do anything else but shoot 

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8 hours ago, smit-tay griz said:

I agree with you except that I like Harrison better than you do I guess.  I don't think Harrison is ever going to be a star, he'll likely never score much.  But I see value in him as a role player who can be reliable enough to make few mistakes, he doesn't turn it over much, will go hard on defense, has a better knack at getting to the line more than all but a couple guys on the roster, and will make an occasional big play.  For a guy on a small contract that's okay with me.  Of course if you can work him into a deal for a really dynamic young guy, great, but I don't see that happening.

Harrison just doesn't do it for me. I do agree he played better towards the end of the season and he protected the ball/limited turnovers.I just don't like his pace and it appears to me he overthinks and doesn't do anything naturally. Just my opinion, I feel he thinks too much and it slows him down as far as quick decision making but overall, he still doesn't do much for me 

8 hours ago, BigHunkALove said:

I agree with this.

I wouldn't be dumping Harrison (for this season at least) and I would try to hold on as long as feasable to Daniels as a specialist gunner.

If Harrison is so bad, how come he got so much PT with Fizz? Where's Douglas? Where's Baldwin?

There are other candidates for the chop that are further at the front of the line than these two.

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Did you just ask if Harrison is so bad why did he beat out a journeyman backup pg at the end of his NBA career and a guy who may not be in the NBA in 2 years? Seriously?

1 hour ago, Ndq0327 said:

Fizz likes two way players not specialist TD is too one dimensional he can't do anything else but shoot 

Well, they knew that when they signed him. They should have never signed him. His history in the league has shown he's a 1 dimensional 3 pt shooter and they signed him. He is what he is. Just like Ben McLemore is an athletic guy (not a skill but a quality) who hasn't lived up to expectations, hasn't shown that he can be a consistent scorer nor a consistent defender and I anticipate he will be the same here because in general, past performance is the best predictor of future performance. TD is who he is and so is McLemore. 

I'm pretty sure he prefers two way players and he probably prefers having 3 guys on the team avg at least 20 ppg but you have to work with what you have. TD has a definable NBA skill. McLemore is not a 2 way player-he makes virtually no impact on the offensive end and is highly inconsistent on the defensive end. Selden may be but it's way too early to tell. I have no idea what Baldwin is. Harrison is not a two way player either, he has very minimal impact on the offensive end. This team is highly imperfect so you have to roll with teh hand you are dealt. As bad as TD is on D, he makes more of an impact on offense in less time than McLemore. 

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10 hours ago, smit-tay griz said:

Funny how far out of favor Daniels has fallen on these boards after last season when everyone was clamoring for him to get more playing time.  As a 12-15 player off the bench an explosive shooter could be useful.

The problem with Daniels is he gives up as much if not more than he gives on most nights and he is most effective when he is a surprise for the defense. Once teams start preparing for him he's far less effective. Still, the man has incredible range on his shots. 

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Dwash    0
33 minutes ago, chipc3 said:

The problem with Daniels is he gives up as much if not more than he gives on most nights and he is most effective when he is a surprise for the defense. Once teams start preparing for him he's far less effective. Still, the man has incredible range on his shots. 

He is a good shooter but it seems to take a lot of looks to get him going. A true sniper is always ready no matter how many looks they get (eg. Kyle Korver). So his one skill isnt as great as it seems.

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1 hour ago, Notorious O.D.K. said:

Harrison just doesn't do it for me. I do agree he played better towards the end of the season and he protected the ball/limited turnovers.I just don't like his pace and it appears to me he overthinks and doesn't do anything naturally. Just my opinion, I feel he thinks too much and it slows him down as far as quick decision making but overall, he still doesn't do much for me 

Same thing was said about Conley in his first couple of years.  I am higher on Harrison than i am Baldwin, Daniels, Ennis, Rade, and Martin.   He is just going to be in his 2nd year in the league so once again we need to be patient.   

All of everyone's complaints against him are valid but so are the compliments.  The thing i like about him the most is that he actually shows tangible improvement.  His first year in the DLeague he improved across the board and in the NBA he improved throughout as well.   That shows that he has real work ethic and willingness to address his weaknesses.  That is invaluable.  

The other point is that he is a strong 6'6' and already shown ability to guard 1-3 respectably.   He isn't an explosive athlete but he is athletic enough to get to get to the rim and draw fouls.   His 3pt shot has been improving and there is no reason to think he will not become atleast an average shooter.  His size and ball-handling makes him a versatile guy that can play on and off the ball.  

As long as the only expectation for his is "role player" then there is no reason to not keep him.  If he is being graded on the potential "star" scale then you will be disappointed.   Harrison will be a Top 10 NBA rotation guy soon. 

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I really wish we could've just signed Rade to the Hustle.  He looks like he needs an entire year to catch up with the speed of the NBA and get his body into shape.   Brooks looks more NBA-ready than he does and his BBIQ looks just as high.   Alas this is CWallace so i can't expect him to make the logical move. 

 

As for who i would be willing to trade to clear up the roster.  

  1. Jarrell  - his BBIQ just isn't high enough in 3 seasons. I'd rather invest time in Rabb then keeping pushing JMart
  2. Daniels - all the arguments above are valid, just too 1-dimensional. better investing time in Ben and Wayne
  3. Wade - don't see PG in his future at all. Just not a fan of him period and he may need to be a throw-in to get someone to take Martin.
  4. Brandan - expressed desire to be traded and is super injury-prone. 

 

Oddly enough I am not as keen on trading BW as i once was.   Mainly due to lack of progression from Martin and Davis.   BW entire frustration was based around his "role" on the team last season.   I think his role will be better defined now that Zbo is gone.  Once JaMyke resigns; BW should become the 3rd big in rotation.   Keeping him around another season will give Davis and Rabb more time to develop.   So i'd do the trade NDQ mentioned (Daniels for TPE to NOP) and waive Martin if he can't be dumped) just to open roster spot to resign JaMyke.  Then call it an off season. 

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Let's think about this.  I think we can all agree that the Grizzlies have had few scoring options the last several seasons.  Now Zach Randolph was the second best scorer on the team in terms of points per minute.  He is gone.  Tony Allen was sixth.  He is likely gone.  Vince Carter was eighth and he is gone.  We have not yet signed Jam who was seventh.  So why is it so important to trade the fourth and fifth best in Troy Daniels and Brandan Wright?  Do you guys really think that our inexperienced young players, coupled with Ben McLemore and a recently injured Tyreke Evans are going to be able to replace six of our top eight scorers?  I guess maybe if Selden, Ennis, and Davis all turn out to be the next TA, Bruce Bowen, and Dikembe Mutombo we might be able to do it with defense, but that is highly unlikely.

It might prove to be a foolhardy decision to trade Daniels and Wright with the difficulty that this team has in putting the ball in the basket.  I don't think I would be rushing it.  There's always the trade deadline.

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Thomas    0
1 minute ago, On My Grizzlie said:

Thanks for posting i forgot how to... But idk what that means but thats as legit as it can get right?

Yeah and I read Matt Barnes commented "Congrats bro"

I think he's back baby

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