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Trade Deadline Primer - Grizz Player Rankings

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Which Grizz players are you willing to part with in a trade?   I am going to rank mine from least likely to move based on value around league and potential impact to our team. 

 

For Example:

  1. Parsons  - Simply we are stuck with him, no one is taking his deal by default he falls here
  2. Gasol - AllStar most talented player on team 
  3. Conley - integral to our success plus his salary restricts options
  4. Davis - most promising rookie big we have had in years
  5. Ennis - on a cheap deal and most versatile wing,
  6. Wright - hasn't been healthy long enough but is productive and has great contract
  7. Zbo -  great fit as 6th man, most likely to retire a Grizz
  8. Baldwin- too early to give up on this years first round pick, potential
  9. Green - has become integral piece of team but will command a big pay raise
  10. Carter - last hurrah but most dynamic wing on roster currently, 
  11. Allen - still solid defender, FA, no longer integral to success, 35yrs old
  12. Daniels - one dimensional shooter but elite at that one dimension, value deal
  13. Harrison - cheap deal low return, player with low ceiling but still a rookie
  14. Martin - still trying to determine niche in a crowded front-court, time running out
  15. Douglas ??? 

That's how i see them ranked.  The only players i would look to move this deadline are Martin and Allen.  Martin is a numbers game there just isn't room in the rotation for him at this point and still haven't determined his skillset.  It's just time to move on from Allen, his defensive impact no longer supercedes his negative impact on offense or his ego.  He is 35yrs old not improving and a free agent.  This offseason it will more than likely come down to choosing between JaM, Zbo and Tony.  I am choosing Zbo and JaM over Tony every-time.   Move him now while he has some value or let him walk for nothing. 

 

 The team i would be trying to make a deal with would be Lakers for (wait for it) Swaggy P.   Now before everyone loses their minds.  Think about the skills that nick brings to the table.   He can create his own shot and has Troy Daniels range.   At 6'7' with some ball-handling skills he is a natural SG, which is something we have been missing.   This season he has shown ability to play solid team defense.  He has another year on his contract at 6m and is only 31yrs old.

 

If Parsons needs to be shutdown till next season then a dynamic wing scorer like Young can allow us to remain a threat.   Look at this potential playoff rotation if we make the move to shutdown Parsons and trade Martin + Allen.

 

Mike/Toney

Young/Daniels

Ennis/Carter

JaM/Zbo

Gasol/Wright

 

Pretty much entire perimeter rotation shooting almost .40% from 3.

Young - .41%

Daniels - .39%

Conley - .41%

Carter - .37%

Ennis - .41%

 

 

Not to mention Gasol .38% and JaMyke .37%.   Think about it and call me crazy if you like. 

 

 

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Only Martin. I wonder what Martin and a second could net

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We more than likely won't make trades but as far as what we offer, depends on what we are being offered. I mean, at this point, I would dangle some combo of Harrison, Martin, and Baldwin to see what we can get. If they are offering some sort of star that can help right away, of course JAM or Z-Bo or Wright or TA would be in play. 

 

I don't see anything happening for us though by the deadline.

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I cant see anything happening.

 

I cant see Lakers giving up Swaggy for anything less than a 1st, and there's nothing we are willing to give up that they want.

 

Lou Will love to have him but Lakers want a 1st as well.

 

ESPN Mike & Mike made a good point about Pelicans that they need to bring in a guy who commands respect to keep DMC in check, and would have to be a guard. The only one we have who fits that bill is Vince but who do we get? TJones? But that leaves us short on Wings and heavy on bigs.

 

Maybe Tony could net us another guard but who? BenMac? The FO dont want the PR headache that would cause.

 

I dont see the FO trading Zach or Tony; Marc or Mike are not available; Parsons has no value right now, Jam has no value as an expiring because he gonna get a big increase in FA; we'd be stupid to move TroyD; Vince wont net us the value he is currently providing for us; Brandan is a gamble, and even if we did move him, who is going to come in as backup C; the rest wont generate interest from other teams.

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Not proposing it but if the FO was worried about capspace and how much increase JaM is gonna get next season, they could try to see if Pelicans are interested in a swap with TJones or maybe a third team that brings in a guard for Pels. Jones is not gonna get the payrise that Jam is gonna get.

 

Like I said, not proposing, just considering the capspace for next season...

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My immediate thought is get rid of Bubble Wrap Wright before he breaks down again. Zero faith in him being healthy for the post season.

Don't see Harrison or Martin being a help in the post season, or getting much better in the future.

T.A. and V.C. are probably not coming back, so based on that I would think they are also expendable now. I doubt that they could replace those two with better options though.

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Best asset is ZBo and Toney. Both expirings...both could move a playoff team up into the contender status. We aren't winning it all most likely this year and are deep at their positions. We can get draft picks/young prospects in return. It will be difficult to resign both.

 

Really believe it's time to trade one of them..I'd prefer Toney. Would definitely miss him, but we need youth

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From ESPN Insider:

 

Memphis Grizzlies What should be the Grizzlies' philosophy at the trade deadline?

 

Elhassan: While coach David Fizdale has successfully generated more 3-pointers attempted and made, the Grizzlies still languish in the bottom third of the league in 3-point shooting percentage. If they can improve their perimeter shooting, they should pounce on the opportunity.

Pelton: I would poke around for a cheap option at point guard. (Ty Lawson, perhaps?) Aside from that, Memphis doesn't seem ripe for significant changes until Tony Allen and Zach Randolph become unrestricted free agents this summer.

What trades should the Grizzlies consider?

Doolittle: The hard-capped Grizzlies are up against it with the tax threshold, so they can't add much salary-wise.

As usual, they are elite on defense but not so much on offense. However, one thing that has changed is that they've basically been the same defensively whether or not Tony Allen is on the floor.

That would seem to create a chance to convert a rotation spot into a much-needed offensive boost, and you'd think plenty of contenders would send back value for a stopper of Allen's ilk. The risk, of course, is that you rip the heart of out of the Grindhouse.

Still, I like a three-way deal: Allen goes to Toronto, which needs wing defense. The Raptors send Jared Sullinger and one of their developmental players to the Nets. L.A. sends Sean Kilpatrick or Bojan Bogdanovic to the Grizzlies.

Engelmann: I think Chandler Parsons' deal will soon be the biggest albatross in the league. He makes about $24 million per season for four years, has a -2.4 Real Plus-Minus and has played half their games. Given his extensive injury history -- he's had several knee surgeries, including a "hybrid microfracture" -- I have my doubts that he'll ever play at high level again.

If the Grizzlies could deal him for an offensively oriented wing (the Grizzlies are 20th in offensive efficiency), that'd be huge.

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From ESPN Insider:

 

Memphis Grizzlies What should be the Grizzlies' philosophy at the trade deadline?

 

Elhassan: While coach David Fizdale has successfully generated more 3-pointers attempted and made, the Grizzlies still languish in the bottom third of the league in 3-point shooting percentage. If they can improve their perimeter shooting, they should pounce on the opportunity.

Pelton: I would poke around for a cheap option at point guard. (Ty Lawson, perhaps?) Aside from that, Memphis doesn't seem ripe for significant changes until Tony Allen and Zach Randolph become unrestricted free agents this summer.

What trades should the Grizzlies consider?

Doolittle: The hard-capped Grizzlies are up against it with the tax threshold, so they can't add much salary-wise.

As usual, they are elite on defense but not so much on offense. However, one thing that has changed is that they've basically been the same defensively whether or not Tony Allen is on the floor.

That would seem to create a chance to convert a rotation spot into a much-needed offensive boost, and you'd think plenty of contenders would send back value for a stopper of Allen's ilk. The risk, of course, is that you rip the heart of out of the Grindhouse.

Still, I like a three-way deal: Allen goes to Toronto, which needs wing defense. The Raptors send Jared Sullinger and one of their developmental players to the Nets. L.A. sends Sean Kilpatrick or Bojan Bogdanovic to the Grizzlies.

Engelmann: I think Chandler Parsons' deal will soon be the biggest albatross in the league. He makes about $24 million per season for four years, has a -2.4 Real Plus-Minus and has played half their games. Given his extensive injury history -- he's had several knee surgeries, including a "hybrid microfracture" -- I have my doubts that he'll ever play at high level again.

If the Grizzlies could deal him for an offensively oriented wing (the Grizzlies are 20th in offensive efficiency), that'd be huge.

Well i am sure that no one would be surprised to know that I would do that deal.   I'd also prefer Kilpatrick over Bojan too.   I like Kilpatrick because he is more of a combo guard with size and already possess a scorer's mentality.   Plus he is already signed thru next season on a very team friendly deal.   Like the guy said he would make sense as Parson's insurance. 

 

We need more guys that can dribble and shot and both of those guys fit the bill. 

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I guarantee TA could net us a late first round pick. I would rather have a 20 year old first round rookie next season over resigning an aging TA

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Conley Gasol Zbo and TA for Blake Griffin Devin Booker and Chris Paul

I know you're joking but I'd do that all day long. 

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I know you're joking but I'd do that all day long.

You would trade the guys who've made our team respectable and represented our city well for those 3 punks? Unbelievable.

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You would trade the guys who've made our team respectable and represented our city well for those 3 punks? Unbelievable.

CP3 is better than Conely

Blake is better than Zach

Devin Booker is Better than TA. 

 

so essentially you'd get a drastic upgrade at 3 starting positions but lose Marc. I think that would make the team better. It's about the name on the front of the jersey not the name on the back. Sure I love the core 4 but care more for the team. 

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CP3 is better than Conely

Blake is better than Zach

Devin Booker is Better than TA.

 

so essentially you'd get a drastic upgrade at 3 starting positions but lose Marc. I think that would make the team better. It's about the name on the front of the jersey not the name on the back. Sure I love the core 4 but care more for the team.

Take away history and character, put Booker on Clippers...I believe we still beat them in 7 game series.

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From ESPN Insider:

Memphis Grizzlies What should be the Grizzlies' philosophy at the trade deadline?

Elhassan: While coach David Fizdale has successfully generated more 3-pointers attempted and made, the Grizzlies still languish in the bottom third of the league in 3-point shooting percentage. If they can improve their perimeter shooting, they should pounce on the opportunity.

Pelton: I would poke around for a cheap option at point guard. (Ty Lawson, perhaps?) Aside from that, Memphis doesn't seem ripe for significant changes until Tony Allen and Zach Randolph become unrestricted free agents this summer. What trades should the Grizzlies consider?

Doolittle: The hard-capped Grizzlies are up against it with the tax threshold, so they can't add much salary-wise.

As usual, they are elite on defense but not so much on offense. However, one thing that has changed is that they've basically been the same defensively whether or not Tony Allen is on the floor.

That would seem to create a chance to convert a rotation spot into a much-needed offensive boost, and you'd think plenty of contenders would send back value for a stopper of Allen's ilk. The risk, of course, is that you rip the heart of out of the Grindhouse.

Still, I like a three-way deal: Allen goes to Toronto, which needs wing defense. The Raptors send Jared Sullinger and one of their developmental players to the Nets. L.A. sends Sean Kilpatrick or Bojan Bogdanovic to the Grizzlies.

Engelmann: I think Chandler Parsons' deal will soon be the biggest albatross in the league. He makes about $24 million per season for four years, has a -2.4 Real Plus-Minus and has played half their games. Given his extensive injury history -- he's had several knee surgeries, including a "hybrid microfracture" -- I have my doubts that he'll ever play at high level again.

If the Grizzlies could deal him for an offensively oriented wing (the Grizzlies are 20th in offensive efficiency), that'd be huge.

Its funny how these guys see the Grizzlies. Its the same problem we have always had offense and that is directly tied to the core 4 cause they are the only constant in this situation. Its time for TA and Zach to go if they want yo retire a Grizz we can bring them back on a 1-day.

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I would be surprised to see us make any moves this trade deadline.  It's hard to imagine there being anyone who could move the needle enough that we could rely on for 2-3 seasons, and this isn't the year for a big one-year-and-gone player move.

 

I would say our chances of trading into the first round of the draft is higher, and even then only if we were targeting a specific player.

 

Is Toney Douglas officially on the roster for the rest of the season now?  When does his 2nd 10-day expire?  If we don't resign him, then maybe we do make a trade, but one that would probably cost us more than we gain.

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Moving TA would ruin this team's chemistry and he's still one of fan favourites. Bad move.

I guess we will sign Tony Allen to a 4 year deal in the offseason because he is a "fan favorite." Statements like these makes me question the Grizzlies organization and the fanbase itself. Nobody really cares if Tony Allen gets traded. It'll probably stink for a minutes because of the memories he brought to Memphis, but his time in Memphis was over last year.

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I guess we will sign Tony Allen to a 4 year deal in the offseason because he is a "fan favorite." Statements like these makes me question the Grizzlies organization and the fanbase itself. Nobody really cares if Tony Allen gets traded. It'll probably stink for a minutes because of the memories he brought to Memphis, but his time in Memphis was over last year.

+100

It is so aggravating to hear Memphis media and fans claim that trading 35yr old FA specialist is blasphemy.  Yet are willing to throw the current most impactful wing, who happens to be a future HallOfFamer, out.   Vince has been better than Tony this season and it isn't even close. The skills he bring are much more needed and are harder to replicate than what Tony does at this point in their careers. 

 

I mean seriously are we going to keep on resigning him and zbo till their 50? 

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Moving TA would ruin this team's chemistry and he's still one of fan favourites. Bad move.

Most casual fans would agree. People that understand basketball and care more about the team than an individual player would disagree. 

 

I guess we will sign Tony Allen to a 4 year deal in the offseason because he is a "fan favorite." Statements like these makes me question the Grizzlies organization and the fanbase itself. Nobody really cares if Tony Allen gets traded. It'll probably stink for a minutes because of the memories he brought to Memphis, but his time in Memphis was over last year.

If we don't trade him I can almost guarantee we re-sign him. You know CW prides himself in being able to re-sign our guys. CW is a joke. 

 

+100

It is so aggravating to hear Memphis media and fans claim that trading 35yr old FA specialist is blasphemy.  Yet are willing to throw the current most impactful wing, who happens to be a future HallOfFamer, out.   Vince has been better than Tony this season and it isn't even close. The skills he bring are much more needed and are harder to replicate than what Tony does at this point in their careers. 

 

I mean seriously are we going to keep on resigning him and zbo till their 50? 

Very aggravating. 

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