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Should Grizz Entertain Offers For Chandler Parson?

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Memfizz    0

I really like our team, including Parsons, but I totally agree it wasn't smart and will bite us and make us the next Portland. Max Conley and Parsons both simply is stupid from a business standpoint.

 

Just enjoy this year while we have it ik I am.

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MemphisX    0

Its funny when people start to realize something may have been a mistake when its too late to do anything about it. Lol Maxing a guy who was injured just because he has the potential to be a fit that we have never had really makes a lot of sense. I only thought rookies were drafted based on their potential. Didn't know it worked for vet free agents too.

 

I think its slightly embassing that we maxed a guy everyone knew was hurt and the organization will conceded this season with hopes that he will be 100% for the rest of his contract.

I think they were willing to concede the first 2-3 months of the season for the best option out there. If we don't sign Conley and Parsons in July, what was the alternative? Cap is steadily going up, we might have MAX cap space again next season with the same roster minus ZBo, TA and Vince. If healthy, we might get another impact player to bite.

 

This was the eventual conclusion to MAXing Marc. And making the playoffs until we get our picks back under our control ain't a bad idea.

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I think they were willing to concede the first 2-3 months of the season for the best option out there. If we don't sign Conley and Parsons in July, what was the alternative? Cap is steadily going up, we might have MAX cap space again next season with the same roster minus ZBo, TA and Vince. If healthy, we might get another impact player to bite.

 

This was the eventual conclusion to MAXing Marc. And making the playoffs until we get our picks back under our control ain't a bad idea.

 

 

Exactly. There's only 2 ways that Memphis can get players, either A-Overpay and/or B-take a risk. FAs aren't running each other over clamoring to come to Memphis. As a matter of fact, it's hard to pull any decent FA away from a team so us getting Parsons from the Mavs is actually a win. How can people start judging the contracts of these players barely 1/3 into the first season of the contract? makes no sense. i'm pretty sure the type of people who criticize those moves have great trade ideas like trading VC for the Greek Freak or TA for Chris Paul or Kyrie irving or something. It ain't happening. This was the best PG available and we kept him and the best SF available and we acquired him, simple and plain. 

 

Players get injured all of the time. People in GS wanted to trade Curry after his 3rd year because he was an undersized SG with bad ankles who couldn't play the point. Chris Paul has struggled with injuries in his career. Look at Joel Embiid. You can't just not take a risk on a player because he's had injuries. Outside of LeBron, how many guys have been injury free their entire career? Injuries are a part of the game. Signing Parsons to a max deal while injured was nothing special. The Mavs did the same thing the previous year with Wes Matthews who tore his Achilles and gave him a 4 year, $70 mil contract which was the  max for him at the time. Salaries are only going to continue to rise. I guarantee in 2-3 years there will be a lot of players with contracts like Parsons and they will be nowhere near as talented. Speaking of Parsons, last year after he came back from injury and got his legs underneath him, the guy went on a 30 game tear avg 18 ppg, 6 rpg, 3 apg, shooting 52% from the field and 48% from 3 in 34 mpg. i hate that he had that bone bruise because if not for that, I think he would be in good form by now.

 

In a small unattractive market like Memphis you have to take chances to win. If not, you're going to have a team full of Andrew Harrison's winning 12 games a year,

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Am I the only one that initially read "Should Grizz Entertain Otters For Chandler Parsons?"

 

Because that would be one heck of a timeout routine.

 

I can get behind that.

 

Otters rule.  Especially baby ones.

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Subliminal    0

I can get behind that.

 

Otters rule. Especially baby ones.

I really think the FO should get on this idea. Hoping they read the boards

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ShaneAus    0

I really think the FO should get on this idea. Hoping they read the boards

 

Can imagine Parsons sitting in front of a tank as otters get entertained. Weird yet fun sight. 

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Why TA?

We talk about the starting missing D but we miss 2 way players and scoring the most.

 

Daniels is showing that he can get hot in a hurry and also he can hold his own on D. Ennis is a 3D guy that bring almost what TA bring and more.

 

MC and Gasol will have their life easier with this lineup. Harrison or Baldwin also would have their life easier if a ball-handler like Parsons and veteran help with VC/TA.

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We talk about the starting missing D but we miss 2 way players and scoring the most.

Daniels is showing that he can get hot in a hurry and also he can hold his own on D. Ennis is a 3D guy that bring almost what TA bring and more.

MC and Gasol will have their life easier with this lineup. Harrison or Baldwin also would have their life easier if a ball-handler like Parsons and veteran help with VC/TA.

I actually agree with.

 

I would like to see Daniels next to Mike with James III as the D guy.

 

Everyone is a threat to score from distance, no double teaming, the paint is opened up, and TroyD D is not as bad as some may think

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Exactly. There's only 2 ways that Memphis can get players, either A-Overpay and/or B-take a risk. FAs aren't running each other over clamoring to come to Memphis. As a matter of fact, it's hard to pull any decent FA away from a team so us getting Parsons from the Mavs is actually a win. How can people start judging the contracts of these players barely 1/3 into the first season of the contract? makes no sense. i'm pretty sure the type of people who criticize those moves have great trade ideas like trading VC for the Greek Freak or TA for Chris Paul or Kyrie irving or something. It ain't happening. This was the best PG available and we kept him and the best SF available and we acquired him, simple and plain. 

 

Players get injured all of the time. People in GS wanted to trade Curry after his 3rd year because he was an undersized SG with bad ankles who couldn't play the point. Chris Paul has struggled with injuries in his career. Look at Joel Embiid. You can't just not take a risk on a player because he's had injuries. Outside of LeBron, how many guys have been injury free their entire career? Injuries are a part of the game. Signing Parsons to a max deal while injured was nothing special. The Mavs did the same thing the previous year with Wes Matthews who tore his Achilles and gave him a 4 year, $70 mil contract which was the  max for him at the time. Salaries are only going to continue to rise. I guarantee in 2-3 years there will be a lot of players with contracts like Parsons and they will be nowhere near as talented. Speaking of Parsons, last year after he came back from injury and got his legs underneath him, the guy went on a 30 game tear avg 18 ppg, 6 rpg, 3 apg, shooting 52% from the field and 48% from 3 in 34 mpg. i hate that he had that bone bruise because if not for that, I think he would be in good form by now.

 

In a small unattractive market like Memphis you have to take chances to win. If not, you're going to have a team full of Andrew Harrison's winning 12 games a year,

Notorious, you are spot on.1000% right. Well said.

 

I am as frustrated as anyone with Chandler and his knee boo boos, but we have him signed, committed for 4 years and we have to at least see how he can elevate the team when he finally gets healthy.  If he does, then maybe other FA's who are buds with Chandler and would like to play with quality guys like Mike and Marc will at least give us a look-see.  Of course we are not going to sign all the big names, but we just need 1 or 2 more and we can be an elite team.

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Two things:

 

First up every other GM sees the same stuff we do so his trade value is near non-existent right now because of the contract and unknown.

 

Second, we will be good in the back half of the season when this guy shows up:

 

 

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I get the frustration, but Parsons seems destined to be one of those guys who will routinely miss 15-25 games a season.  There are a lot of very effective players in this league who miss that amount of games with dings and scrapes.  This isn't like Wright, who has had one injury-free season amongst a boatload of injury riddled ones.  It is clear he is fragile.  Not his fault, but he came into the league too thin and he will leave the league too thin, apparently lacking the ability to pack on muscle. Or he's smart enough to know he's playing at his most effective weight and he just has to keep his fingers crossed.

 

Before Parsons is done, he will give us what we need at an important time, and remind us why we did what we did.  I really believe that.

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ShaneAus    0

Even if Parsons isn't scoring as much as we want. It adds a lot more to the court. Teams aren't going to leave Parsons alone and he can make plays. Those shots will fall but even if he doesn't shoot and stuff, he makes a good impact on the court with movement and plays. 

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Exactly. There's only 2 ways that Memphis can get players, either A-Overpay and/or B-take a risk. FAs aren't running each other over clamoring to come to Memphis. As a matter of fact, it's hard to pull any decent FA away from a team so us getting Parsons from the Mavs is actually a win. How can people start judging the contracts of these players barely 1/3 into the first season of the contract? makes no sense. i'm pretty sure the type of people who criticize those moves have great trade ideas like trading VC for the Greek Freak or TA for Chris Paul or Kyrie irving or something. It ain't happening. This was the best PG available and we kept him and the best SF available and we acquired him, simple and plain. 

 

Players get injured all of the time. People in GS wanted to trade Curry after his 3rd year because he was an undersized SG with bad ankles who couldn't play the point. Chris Paul has struggled with injuries in his career. Look at Joel Embiid. You can't just not take a risk on a player because he's had injuries. Outside of LeBron, how many guys have been injury free their entire career? Injuries are a part of the game. Signing Parsons to a max deal while injured was nothing special. The Mavs did the same thing the previous year with Wes Matthews who tore his Achilles and gave him a 4 year, $70 mil contract which was the  max for him at the time. Salaries are only going to continue to rise. I guarantee in 2-3 years there will be a lot of players with contracts like Parsons and they will be nowhere near as talented. Speaking of Parsons, last year after he came back from injury and got his legs underneath him, the guy went on a 30 game tear avg 18 ppg, 6 rpg, 3 apg, shooting 52% from the field and 48% from 3 in 34 mpg. i hate that he had that bone bruise because if not for that, I think he would be in good form by now.

 

In a small unattractive market like Memphis you have to take chances to win. If not, you're going to have a team full of Andrew Harrison's winning 12 games a year,

 

 

Agreed.  Signing Parsons was the FO putting their money into shooting for a title.  

A healthy Parsons is their best chance.

 

 

 

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Ndq0327    0

Don't see why we are brainwashed into being so optimistic with the bad decisions being made. Question what else should the Grizz have done if not overpay Parsons and Conley?

 

Were there any other sfs who weren't injured that got signed and have played the majority of the season?. Yes there were we would have been better off saving money going after one of them. Once you consider the fact that this team has been good despite the fact that Parsons hasn't contributed much in terms of winning or losing.

 

Has anyone ever thought that maybe the Grizz should put more resources into pinpointing obtainable players that are likely diamonds in the rough. Instead of accepting that we're a bad destination for big time guys so if we want them then we have to overpay or take on injured players.

 

Why cripple yourself just for the sake of saying we got player x when said player is a shell of the guy you want him to be for your team. I mean look how long it took for VC to finally give us something consistent. Are we to accept that same fate with Chandler?

 

The chandler parsons signing was a bad idea we paid too much and its not certain when we will get the good version of him but even then I don't think it will be worth 94million.

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Parsons isn't 100%...you don't come back in 3 weeks 100% from a bone bruise. He's likely playing in pain right now and he looks like it.

 

It will be 1st or 2nd week in January before he feels good and 1st-2nd week in Feb if we are lucky before he really has his legs under him and rounding into old school form. If he is playing his prime game in March and through the playoffs, totally worth it. It's a gamble and one we had to make imo.

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TimBC    0

Packing on muscle can prevent knee injuries?

 

About half a pound of muscle on each knee can, otherwise no. 

If you apply 100 pounds of force to a knee, and there's muscle to absorb 60 of it, 

then ligaments, cartilage and bone only have to handle 40. 

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