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Here is a Wade Baldwin article on a G-League website that also tracks the 2 way contracts, for those interested.

(DIdn't want it buried in the Summer League thread)

Baldwin underwhelmed in his rookie season

Pretty in-depth

While he showed flashes of brilliance with Iowa, his decision making was lacking at times which led to far too many unnecessary turnovers.

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Father Pat    0
21 minutes ago, Grizzled Vet said:

Here is a Wade Baldwin article on a G-League website that also tracks the 2 way contracts, for those interested.

(DIdn't want it buried in the Summer League thread)

Baldwin underwhelmed in his rookie season

Pretty in-depth

While he showed flashes of brilliance with Iowa, his decision making was lacking at times which led to far too many unnecessary turnovers.

Good stuff. Thanks G.V.

To me he looked too out of control (on offense) in the first 2 summer league games. The G league should help to settle him down.

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Ndq0327    0

That article plus GP yesterday on his show further cements my dislike for Baldwin. I remember last summer I was counting how many missed jumpers he had. Everyone was talking about how good a shooter he was but honestly he can't shoot I don't think he's taken a 3 off the dribble yet in SL this year.

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18 hours ago, Grizzled Vet said:

Here is a Wade Baldwin article on a G-League website that also tracks the 2 way contracts, for those interested.

(DIdn't want it buried in the Summer League thread)

Baldwin underwhelmed in his rookie season

Pretty in-depth

While he showed flashes of brilliance with Iowa, his decision making was lacking at times which led to far too many unnecessary turnovers.

I actually feel more encouraged about Baldwin's future after watching this. His problems are mental on turnovers and he needs to get that under control. His shooting can improve with work (although it would be nice to see him making some in the summer league). The talent is there but he just has to get a hold of it. 

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before the draft baldwin was one of those guys that looked worse the more you looked at him .  

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52 minutes ago, IdrinkGuinness said:

before the draft baldwin was one of those guys that looked worse the more you looked at him .  

Agreed his length and hype is what got him selected 

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MemphisX    0

People thought he was Westbrook-lite.  He is not.  I will give him this offseason to get it togther but he should at least look like an NBA player during this season.

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2 minutes ago, MemphisX said:

People thought he was Westbrook-lite.  He is not.  I will give him this offseason to get it togther but he should at least look like an NBA player during this season.

I was thinking more like Reggie Jackson but he doesnt even look like that.

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Allen    0

Baldwin will be fine. You guys are so quick to give up on a young player. After Conley you would think this fan base would give a player more than a year to show he belongs in the Nba

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Just now, Allen said:

Baldwin will be fine. You guys are so quick to give up on a young player. After Conley you would think this fan base would give a player more than a year to show he belongs in the Nba

Its not that he can't become an NBA player.  I just believe he isn't a good candidate to become a PG.   His future lies as a defensive-specialist that can possibly dribble. 

I say his comp should be Avery Bradley and that's how he can stay in the league.   Harrison has better PG instincts and so does Kobi. 

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8 minutes ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

Its not that he can't become an NBA player.  I just believe he isn't a good candidate to become a PG.   His future lies as a defensive-specialist that can possibly dribble. 

I say his comp should be Avery Bradley and that's how he can stay in the league.   Harrison has better PG instincts and so does Kobi. 

And Wayne and Ben have better sg instinct so you see where does he fit?

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Dwash    0
14 minutes ago, Allen said:

Baldwin will be fine. You guys are so quick to give up on a young player. After Conley you would think this fan base would give a player more than a year to show he belongs in the Nba

Conley is the anamoly. Most players that look this bad going into year two fail and its not even close.

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Allen    0
1 minute ago, Dwash said:

Conley is the anamoly. Most players that look this bad going into year two fail and its not even close.

Not true. It takes young players 2, 3 sometimes even 4 years for it all to click all the time.

Otto Porter was looking like a bust after his first couple years and he just signed a 100 million dollar contract

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43 minutes ago, Allen said:

Not true. It takes young players 2, 3 sometimes even 4 years for it all to click all the time.

Otto Porter was looking like a bust after his first couple years and he just signed a 100 million dollar contract

Having it "all click" is one thing. How many current quality NBA players can you find that didnt look like atleast useful rotation players by year 2?

Go look at a few recent drafts from 5 or 6 years ago. You see all of those players who are out the league or are fringe NBA players at best? They count too in this discussion not just your handpicked selections that turned it around.

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Dark-Child    0

You can get away with a player not being cerebral at different positions but PG is not one of them.  He does not seem to have a basic understanding of the flow of the game or personnel and thus he does not make anyone better.  He does not defend or shoot well enough to play SG so his athleticism is mitigated by not playing PG.  I advocate moving on from the experiment sooner rather than later.  The non-drafted Kobi Simmons shows a better feel for the game then Baldwin, which is pretty alarming.

What improvement has he done since draft night?   

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Ndq0327    0
31 minutes ago, Dark-Child said:

You can get away with a player not being cerebral at different positions but PG is not one of them.  He does not seem to have a basic understanding of the flow of the game or personnel and thus he does not make anyone better.  He does not defend or shoot well enough to play SG so his athleticism is mitigated by not playing PG.  I advocate moving on from the experiment sooner rather than later.  The non-drafted Kobi Simmons shows a better feel for the game then Baldwin, which is pretty alarming.

What improvement has he done since draft night?   

This it's not that he can't one day maybe get better it's the fact that he seems to be the exact same player he was last year which means he didn't improve anything

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1 hour ago, Dwash said:

Conley is the anamoly. Most players that look this bad going into year two fail and its not even close.

 

1 hour ago, Allen said:

Not true. It takes young players 2, 3 sometimes even 4 years for it all to click all the time.

 

The history of the NBA is strewn with guys, especially PGs, that had to bounce from team to team before  it clicked.  Chauncey Billips immediately comes to mind. Even lauded players like Jason Kidd who may have had early individual success never became perennial winners until their 3 or fourth team.

 

I don't see Baldwin having that same type of trajectory, but anything is possible.

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22 minutes ago, Dark-Child said:

You can get away with a player not being cerebral at different positions but PG is not one of them.  He does not seem to have a basic understanding of the flow of the game or personnel and thus he does not make anyone better.  He does not defend or shoot well enough to play SG so his athleticism is mitigated by not playing PG.  I advocate moving on from the experiment sooner rather than later.  The non-drafted Kobi Simmons shows a better feel for the game then Baldwin, which is pretty alarming.

What improvement has he done since draft night?   

I'm not ready to write him off at SG, but I do agree that he (so far) has failed as a PG with his play looking more like it is forced. Summer league offense is little more than a pick up game, but to be a NBA pg a player must show an ability to control chaotic situations. He seems to add to the chaos.

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1 hour ago, Ndq0327 said:

And Wayne and Ben have better sg instinct so you see where does he fit?

Heck some of the passes Wayne threw in SL almost makes me say he has better PG instincts than Wade too!?!?

 

48 minutes ago, Dark-Child said:

You can get away with a player not being cerebral at different positions but PG is not one of them.  He does not seem to have a basic understanding of the flow of the game or personnel and thus he does not make anyone better.  He does not defend or shoot well enough to play SG so his athleticism is mitigated by not playing PG.  I advocate moving on from the experiment sooner rather than later.  The non-drafted Kobi Simmons shows a better feel for the game then Baldwin, which is pretty alarming.

What improvement has he done since draft night?   

Completely agree.  

17 minutes ago, Ndq0327 said:

This it's not that he can't one day maybe get better it's the fact that he seems to be the exact same player he was last year which means he didn't improve anything

To echo your point Wade wasn't a 1 and done guy; he was drafted after 2 years in school.   Reading his scouting report and you see that he always has the same problems.   Which doesn't bode well for him ever developing into a good PG.   

I'd rather cut bait on him and try to find a way to resign Troy Williams.    Harrison and Kobi are the better PG prospects by a mile. 

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Dark-Child    0

Yes I co-sign the attempt to re-sign Troy Williams, top 10% in Athleticism in the league.

We need him, but room has to be made on the roster; TOO MUCH CLUTTER! 

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21 minutes ago, Dark-Child said:

Yes I co-sign the attempt to re-sign Troy Williams, top 10% in Athleticism in the league.

We need him, but room has to be made on the roster; TOO MUCH CLUTTER! 

Yessir!   Give me Wayne, Troy, Harrison, Davis Kobi, and Rabb.    Then decide which offensively skilled, athletically challenged SF has better shot at developing (Rade or Brooks) and call it a day. 

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Thomas    0

What bothers me most about Baldwin is that he is a terrible finisher at the rim.

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Acehigh718    0

Baldwin should have never been and should never be a point guard. Nothing in his resume suggests that he would project to playing the 1 effectively in the pros, and he certainly hasn't done anything this summer to convince me otherwise.

He literally bowling balls into the paint with his head down over and over again, desperately looking for a foul call, and has no creativity at the rim. I think he'd be an awesome slashing/cutting 2, catching defenses off-guard in the secondary actions, but as a 1 initiating against a set defense, he's a mess.

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