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bhoyal    0

Stirling is a doosh from way back, having been sued over rental property type issues a number of times over the years.

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Thomas    0

I have been hoping for so long that karma would bite Sterling in his old, saggy ***. He's been exposed as an extremely racist, sexist pig who treats everyone around him like ****, and he's been getting away with it for generations. Hopefully this story gets big enough to where he finally gets his.

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Father Pat    0

This guy is making Marge Schott look like Mother Teresa.

If the NBA doesn't take a hard stance with this old fool, then we will be the fools to support a pro sport that allows this kind of continued garbage.

Ban him. Now.

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Hmmmm... after watching this I'm about as confused as Sterling seems to be. So, I guess the thing is he doesn't hate anybody b/c of the colour of their skin, but he just doesn't want her associating in public w/ people of different races. I'm not sure how to make sense of that, but I don't think he's really racist either. Maybe you have to be of a certain age. They are not exactly in the same age bracket, so that seems to be the crux of their discontent. "I love black people.", Donald Sterling. There's like 5 or 6 similar quotes in that video that could be brought up. "I love black people.", isn't something racists say usually. A racist says, "I hate black people." Sterling never says anything like that.

 

What is perhaps even weirder than the dialogue is that fact that the dialogue was secretly recorded and obtained (somehow) by a tabloid. I'm not hardly ever in favor of people's private conversations being surrupticiously recorded and broadcast publicly. I could easily be made out to be a terrible person if some of my private comments were exposed. I think a lot of people could get into a lot of trouble this way. Could you? Would you provoke controversy if you knew you could hurt an enemy or simply get some money out of it?

 

I don't think Sterling really says anything bad here, even though he was given multiple opportunities. I would label his comments as "distasteful" or "unmodern". I'm more concerned about the secret recording and the tabloid broadcast. It's pretty creepy if you ask me.

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UofMark    0

I've heard Adam Silver is in Memphis today for the game. Also heard he's having his first press conference as commissioner here to address this issue. Welcome to the big chair Adam Silver.

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Father Pat    0
Hmmmm... after watching this I'm about as confused as Sterling seems to be. So, I guess the thing is he doesn't hate anybody b/c of the colour of their skin, but he just doesn't want her associating in public w/ people of different races. I'm not sure how to make sense of that, but I don't think he's really racist either. Maybe you have to be of a certain age. They are not exactly in the same age bracket, so that seems to be the crux of their discontent. "I love black people.", Donald Sterling. There's like 5 or 6 similar quotes in that video that could be brought up. "I love black people.", isn't something racists say usually. A racist says, "I hate black people." Sterling never says anything like that. What is perhaps even weirder than the dialogue is that fact that the dialogue was secretly recorded and obtained (somehow) by a tabloid. I'm not hardly ever in favor of people's private conversations being surrupticiously recorded and broadcast publicly. I could easily be made out to be a terrible person if some of my private comments were exposed. I think a lot of people could get into a lot of trouble this way. Could you? Would you provoke controversy if you knew you could hurt an enemy or simply get some money out of it? I don't think Sterling really says anything bad here, even though he was given multiple opportunities. I would label his comments as "distasteful" or "unmodern". I'm more concerned about the secret recording and the tabloid broadcast. It's pretty creepy if you ask me.
Let me spell it out for you. Sterling has a history of this garbage, to the tune of paying millions of dollars because of his actions, not just his words, of racism.

The human being that Sterling was spewing his venom about in this case was Magic Johnson. His "girlfriend" had posted a pic of her and Magic, which set him off.

"I don't think Sterling really says anything bad here,..." You are very correct about the part where you admit that you don't think.

To defend Sterling in any way, shape, or form should be beneath anyone calling themselves a human being.

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I'd have to go watch the video again, but didn't he say, "I respect Magic Johnson", and "I love Magic Johnson".

 

I don't care very much if you think I'm a human being or not or whatever. My opinion of you isn't exactly at an all-time high right now.

 

The fact is: Sterling is given every opportunity to say he hates Blacks, Latinos, and minorities in general, and he never does. In fact, he says the exact opposite at every opportunity.

 

I would like you to watch the entire video, and count all the times Sterling says he doesn't hate so-and-so minority or says that he loves/admires/respects so-and-so minority and then tell me again that I'm less than human for not thinking what he said in the video was that bad.

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Blue Bear    0

Sure he doesn't hate......?

 

The Girlfriend: "People call you and tell you that I have black people on my instagram. And it bothers you."

 

Donald Sterling: "Ya it bothers me a lot that you want to promo..........broadcast that you are associating with black people. Do you have to?

 

"I'm not you and your not me. Your suppose to be a delicate white or Latina girl"

 

This guy pretty much lays it out there that he doesn't think highly of BLACK PEOPLE.

 

As a black man I am not surprised that he says this. I hope that not one black person supports the Clippers team until he is gone.

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Sure he doesn't hate......?

 

The Girlfriend: "People call you and tell you that I have black people on my instagram. And it bothers you."

 

Donald Sterling: "Ya it bothers me a lot that you want to promo..........broadcast that you are associating with black people. Do you have to?

 

"I'm not you and your not me. Your suppose to be a delicate white or Latina girl"

 

This guy pretty much lays it out there that he doesn't think highly of BLACK PEOPLE.

 

If he hates black people, then why does he say that he loves black people. I'm confused. I wonder why you are sooo sure of yourself.

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If he hates black people, then why does he say that he loves black people. I'm confused. I wonder why you are sooo sure of yourself.

Guess you don't realize that 90% of racism occurs between people who don't consider themselves Racist?

 

The biggest problem people most discriminated victims run into are not the Hood wearing Nazi tattooed skinheads or militant Muslims. They are easy to identify and avoid.

 

It's the casual racist who you work for that will never give you that promotion you deserve. Or wont lend you a hand cuz you "probably on welfare" or a "drug dealer". Yet they have a black or Hispanic friend (associate) at work and give to Somalians and love Denzel and Lebron.

 

Ignorance is not an excuse. Actions speak louder than words - you don't have to say a derogatory term before as some requirement for bein racist.

 

I firmly believe that 90% of the US is in one form or another.

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Father Pat    0
If he hates black people, then why does he say that he loves black people. I'm confused.
Kind of like when someones 300 pound mother asks if she looks fat when she has her favorite dress on and they tell her no.

Your arguement is one that embraces ignorance. A man is the sum of his actions, not empty words. Sterlings past actions have shown his true racist character. For anyone to defend Sterling only exposes that persons true character.

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Blue Bear    0
Kind of like when someones 300 pound mother asks if she looks fat when she has her favorite dress on and they tell her no. Your arguement is one that embraces ignorance. A man is the sum of his actions, not empty words. Sterlings past actions have shown his true racist character. For anyone to defend Sterling only exposes that persons true character.

 

Exactly, and to answer fanboyslim question why do you want to avoid being around people you love.

 

Um what a minute dude your just trying to troll this thread.

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Exactly, and to answer fanboyslim question why do you want to avoid being around people you love. Um what a minute dude your just trying to troll this thread.

Huh? What question?

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Does that 90% include you?

 

Actually I am pretty sure i have done or said things that can be defined as racist in my life. Just by simply growing up in Memphis. I consider myself a person that can look "beyond" the color of a persons skin; but i by no means will ever say that i have never offended another person. I just don't know.

 

However, my parents didn't raise me to be racist i grew up being exposed to many different cultures. I learned alot on racism thru school and television and being discriminated against. People aren't born racist that is learned. Pretty much every American born person has been exposed to racist propaganda in one way or another, mostly unknowingly. What i personally try to do is become more sensitive to other people's cultures and experiences. Just because i don't consider myself "racist" doesn't mean i am incapable of saying hurtful things to other people. The hidden racist do the most damage and what keeps that ball rolling. Just because you aren't burning crosses doesn't mean you aren't a racist.

 

If you would like more proof of how Sterling feels follow this link

 

http://deadspin.com/your-complete-quotable-guide-to-decades-of-donald-sterl-1568047212

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chipc3    0

The blog I helped build has decided that this is too inflamatory to put out on the site so I am posting it here in it's entirety. I apologize for the length. I think it is a gutless decision on their part.

 

Chip Shots: How to Deal with Donald Sterling

People aren’t going to like what I am about to say. I’m sure I will be called many horrible things in the comments section (under the cover of anonymity) but that’s the fans right under the laws of this land.

 

The NBA shouldn’t do anything to Donald Sterling.

Don’t get confused here. I fully expect the league to make a grand pronouncement of severe penalties including censure, banishment from the building and a large sounding financial penalty. They will come out with some great TV sound bites to show how serious they are about this situation too.

 

The question is why should the league punish Donald Sterling now for exercising his right to free expression? This man didn’t grab a microphone and shout to the world his racist beliefs. He was having a private conversation that someone recorded and released publicly. This is his personal belief. It is not something that should be restricted.

 

The player’s union is wrong in demanding “swift and extreme action” by the league offices against Mr. Sterling. We don’t want to start punishing people for how they feel. That’s not what this country is based on.

Honestly, it’s not even a right to free speech issue.

 

Freedom of speech has limitations even in the USA. For instance you are not allowed to deliberately harm someone by means of libel, slander, obscenity and pornography, sedition, hate speech, classified information, copyright violations, trade secrets and non-disclosure agreements. These are all ways in which freedom of speech is limited in this country.

However, freedom of expression is considered a human right. It is protected under article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and in international human rights laws. The US Supreme Court has ruled that this freedom is “the matrix, the indispensable condition of nearly every other form of freedom. Without it, other fundamental rights, like the right to vote, would wither and die.”

 

Does anyone believe that the sentiments expressed on the tape rise to the level of hate speech? The comments were ignorant, opinionated and ridiculous on face value but hardly rise to the standard of hate.

 

Donald Sterling didn’t ask or want for his comments to even enter the political spectrum. He had a private conversation with a person that was secretly recorded and released publicly. He didn’t ask for his views to be made public. He didn’t want his personal beliefs made public. The league has no legal ground to stand on in fining, censuring or punishing him in any way. This is his opinion after all and people are entitled to their opinions.

That doesn’t mean the league has to remain silent.

 

The league and its owners have the same right to freedom of expression. They have the right to stand up and say to the world they condemn these comments publicly and unabashedly. Adam Silver could have said Saturday night that he was repulsed by the comments attributed to Mr. Sterling and regardless of who said them these feelings are not something the league supports. No one needs to “look into this” to blatantly refuse to support the feelings being expressed.

Companies that sponsor the Clippers games have the same right to freedom of expression. They can cancel their advertising contracts where legal and where it isn’t legal to cancel them they can run ads supporting equality of people instead of the team.

 

Fans of the Clippers have the same right to freedom of expression. They can show their displeasure by not attending the remainder of the Clippers games and instead boycott outside the arena. They can refuse to purchase Clipper paraphernalia. They can turn off their TV sets and radios and not listen to the game. If that is too severe a punishment on the fans then there are other ways to show their displeasure. Fans can bring minorities to games. Fill the arena with people of color. That would show Sterling how you feel about his comments.

In my opinion we have already seen what the players can do to reflect their displeasure in the short run. They are under contract to play for the team right now and so they have to appear but they don’t have to give their best effort and I don’t believe the Clippers did give their best effort against the Warriors yesterday either. Their visual protest was moving but probably against league rules and, while I doubt the league will do this, their protest could end up in their being fined by the league for not following the league’s uniform code.

 

In the long run the players have other options. They don’t have to sign new contracts with the team. They can demand trades and nurse injuries for extended periods of time. These things they can do. It may affect their ability to earn the maximum amount of money in the future but if his private thoughts are that damaging to them then this should be a small sacrifice.

These actions will have a far greater impact on Donald Sterling than any censure/fine he may receive from the league. Punish him by devaluing his team. Take away his ability to live off the sweat of others who he apparently doesn’t want to be seen with in public.

 

Of course, this isn’t a new issue with Donald Sterling. He’s already paid a $2.7 million fine to settle a case back in 2009 brought by the Justice Department for housing discrimination against minorities. He settled another case back in 2005 for an undisclosed sum.

It hasn’t stopped players such as Blake Griffin, Chris Paul, DeAndre Jordan and others from accepting Sterling’s new contract offers. How truly upset should the players be now because of his comments? They have been accepting his money for years knowing he was a racist. It’s hypocritical of them to act shocked by his comments now. This hasn’t been the only instance of Donald Sterling making racist comments after all.

Fans in LA have known Sterling to be a racist far better than anywhere else in the country but still the Clipper games sold out this season. Billy Crystal, the Kardashians, Rihanna, and other celebrities still sat courtside and cheered the team for years after Sterling was forced to pay for his racist actions. Actions mind you not simply words. How hypocritical is it of these same people who have spent their money buying courtside seats and Clipper gear to act shocked now to hear Sterling is a racist.

 

So in my opinion the league shouldn’t do anything because of this tape. If they weren’t willing or able to act when Sterling was fined by the Justice Department $2.7 million for discriminating against blacks and Hispanics in housing, why should they act surprised and shocked now that he told his mistress that he doesn’t like minorities being seen with her?

The only thing that NBA would show by acting against Sterling now is that they are more concerned with ticket sales and having celebrities at games than equal rights in housing. They care more for image than basic human rights. if they didn't force him out of the league for his actions that truly hurt people, why should they act so concerned now by his words?

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Father Pat    0

"Evil flourishes when good men do nothing."

 

It never ceases to amaze me that the ideals of free speech or freedom of expression are only brought up in the defense of something that has been said that should not of been.

When I hear such things I don't think of the person clinging to their so called right to offend others, but my mind goes back to the many times I was in veteran or naval hospitals as a patient during the 1980's. There were many World War 2 veterans back then, and they came from every background imaginable. They had given so much of themselves and their families, and had stood ready to defend the worlds freedom, not a specific country's or an individuals. We owe them. We owe them everything. When someone seeks to hold down someone based solely on race, we owe it to them to not stand by and do nothing. We should not talk about why an individual has the so called right to do wrong, but instead should take action to protect those that have been wronged.

To defend those that do wrong, or defend those that are wronged. It's very simple, if you are the one being wronged or not, because someday it could be you or those you hold dear.

It wasn't long ago that similiar ideals of Mr Sterling were expressed openly, leading to the death of millions and millions of people. He may not of openly hated, but there is no doubt that his heart did. His words and attempted actions may not of caused physical hurt, but they are without doubt the seeds that have led to many unjust deaths that our forefathers fought against, giving their all.

All of humanity owes a debt to take actions against such things, especially when it is within their power. It is within the NBA's power, and they must act because evil flourishes when good men do nothing.

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chipc3    0

Just to be clear, I am NOT in any way advocating people not do anything. I am suggesting instead that the only way to get Sterling out is not for the league to censure him, give him a token fine and ban him from the offices (which I believe is all the power the commissioner's office has in this regard) but for sponsors, fans and players to take up the fight. The only way to encourage Sterling to sell his team is to make it financially unfeasible and socially impossible for him to do anything else.

 

I am very much in favor of the fans, sponsors and players taking action against this bigot. I just don't agree with the attitude that is the responsibility of the commissioner and his office. The commissioner serves at the request of the owners not the other way around.

 

Frankly I wish the league would stand up to ESPN and tell them they can't broadcast the Clippers-Warriors game and not televise it on NBA TV, fine Sterling every penny he stood to make from TV rights to the league and ban him for life from NBA arenas, front offices and any public appearance on behalf of the team but that isn't realistic. The fans, players and sponsors can't take the road that this is someone else's problem to fix. Everyone who has accepted his money or advertised their product with his team, purchased stuff with his team's logo, etc. has tacitly condoned his attitude for years. That needs to stop.

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Father Pat    0

Just to be clear, I did not make the above post to throw any stones at chipc3, or paint him in a negative way. I just do not agree with the one point that chipc3 has made with regard to the commissioner or the league not being held to be responsible for Mr Sterlings foul words.

I am in total agreement with chipc3 that everyone, from the fans, players, sponsors, and anyone that has dealings with the clipper organization in any form, need to do what they can to show their disdain for Sterling, especially financially, because that is what is most important to him. My belief does not exclude the commissioner or the league from acting though.

As far as the commissioner and/or league goes, I believe that a strong precedence has already been set by major league baseball and commissioner Silver must act. MLB has banned owners in the past, and Marge Schott was one such owner that was banned due solely because of making racist statements.

Depending on which story you believe, over the years I have read several accounts made by at least four different people that the second commissioner of baseball, Happy Chandler, went against the wishes of all but one major league baseball team when it came to upholding the contract of Jackie Robinson just prior to the 1947 season in which Robinson first played major league baseball. Chandler claimed (and others) that the owners had agreed to a new set of "reforms" for MLB to follow by a vote of 15 to 1. The reforms, of course, would not allow for Robinson to play. Chandler struck it down, and claimed that he knew it would cost him his job by going against all but one of the owners, but he also knew it would be wrong to not allow Robinson to play.

The point being that at the end of the day, yes the commissioner is hired by the owners, but it cannot be used as an excuse to ignore injustices and wrong doing. When someone is given a position of authority, they must be above reproach and maintain their integrity. For Silver to have any means to be corrective in his actions and not do so would be morally wrong. Silver is hired by the owners, but is held to higher standards than just looking out for the owners that he works for. Silver has an obligation to not only the owners, but to the fans of his sport, which if not for them, the NBA does not exist. Not only should Silver act, but he should also encourage others to do what they can as well.

Silver is the guardian of the NBA. All of it, not just the owners. He must act.

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As I said before, I think people are getting this thing wrong.

 

 

 

GF: I wish I could change [the color of my skin]..

DS: That isn't the issue. You missed the issue

 

- Apparently their is another issue...

 

DS: People feel certain things. Hispanics feel certain things towards blacks. Blacks feel certain things towards other groups. It's been that way historically, and it will always be that way.

 

- ... here it is. In Sterling's purview different ethnic groups have certain relationships which require some adherence to certain rules.

 

DS: But maybe you want to adjust to the world.

 

- He wants her to adhere to the rules.

 

DS: I'm living in a culture, and I have to live within the culture.

 

- More of the same. But you wonder about this "culture". Who is it exactly that he's associating with? Why does he have to associate with such a culture?

 

GF: I am flexible. I understand that's the way you were raised, and that's your culture.

 

- It sounds like there was a previous dialogue about the way he was raised and his culture. She sounds sympathetic. Is she really, or is she goading him, keeping him talking?

 

GF: Whether the world accepts it or not, and you're asking me to remove something that's part of me and you're afraid of what they're going to think.

 

- This is a bit confusing and nonsensical on her part. A weird way to phrase a thought. I think her point is: She says he want's her to be different so "they" ("they" being the operative word, as opposed to "he" or "you") won't look down on her.

 

GF: You want me to hate

DS: I don't want you to have hate. That's what people do they turn things around. I want you to love them - privately.

 

- She keeps implying he's hateful. He rebukes her and reinterates that he wants her to adhere to the culture as he sees it. "- private"; it doesn't seem like she understands this idea.

 

GF: Who am I disrespecting?

DS: The world before you.

 

- More of the same.

 

DS: Everything you say to me is so painful. Do I want you to change the color of your skin? You know how to really hurt somebody.

 

- When you listen to this it does sound like he's pained. To me it does anyway.

 

So basically what we've got here is an argument between two people of very disparate ages. Sterling is close to 80, and the GF about 25. The crux of the matter is that Sterling sees the relationship between different ethnicities as being highly structuralized, full of negativity, and requiring a great deal of tact. I don't think that in itself is racist or even bad. It seems untrue and unnecessary to me, but sadly that is how many people feel about America. Obviously, the GF can just barely begin to comprehend it. Either that or she's totally just goading him on. I called this "unmodern" in my original post, and that's exactly all of what it is.

With Sterling as a person unto himself it's a little different. Why does he feel this way? Why does society seem so contentious to him? You don't want people to feel that way. It's bad that they do, but I don't think they are necessarily bad that they do. Is it so very horrendous that someone would perceive angst in the world and prefer to conform to the tenants that society has laid out for him? It's never about what he feels, it's only about his relationship to the society he lives in. He keeps saying that over and over and over.

 

Sterling is given every opportunity to say something truly racist, and yet he never does. In fact, he only says the exact opposite...

 

There's nothing wrong with minorities, they're fabulous.

I don't want you to have hate.

There's nothing wrong with you or your skin color.

I don't have any hate on nothin'.

They [minorities] can be with me all day and all night long.

I love black people.

There's no negativity. I love everybody.

I've known him [Magic Johnson] well, and he should be admired.

 

Posters here are telling me the human mind can delude itself into saying one thing while harbouring an opposite truth. I think that is true. But then, can't the human mind also be so versatile and complex as to say something negative while also feeling a positive truth about the same subject? Can Sterling not want his GF to be out-&-about with minorities, and also not hate minorities? I don't think he's putting on a false face to hide what the false heart doth know. Remember, this is a surreptitious recording of a fight with his lover. It's pretty emotional. There's no players, there's no stage, only fretting.

Everything comes back to culture. They see things so very differently.

I pity Sterling, but I don't hate him; at least not from what I hear on the tape. I think people are focusing on certain visceral red-meat extracts of the dialogue. You know, the ones they play ad nauseum in the media. Those aren't what the dialogue is about. If you're getting the crux of the argument wrong, then you can only misunderstand what is being said.

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Kind of like when someones 300 pound mother asks if she looks fat when she has her favorite dress on and they tell her no.

Your arguement is one that embraces ignorance. A man is the sum of his actions, not empty words. Sterlings past actions have shown his true racist character. For anyone to defend Sterling only exposes that persons true character.

 

Why do you have to bring your mother into this?

 

Sorry. Sometimes I can't resist a snappy putdown, and you made it soooo easy.

 

 

However...

 

This I say to you with the utmost seriousness...

 

You do a grave disservice to the world, when you prohibit thought. You've called me less than human, you denigrated my character, you even made a pathetically vain and stupid comment on a post I made in another thread. And for what? Only the weak-minded can not tolerate dissent. You are WEAK and your words are a STAIN on HUMANITY.

 

I'm done with you.

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