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Anyone perplexed as to how the Denver Nuggets are a REALLY GOOD team in the West?

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They lost some significant talent to China, and they're a team filled with just a bunch of solid role players. Mozgov, Nene, Gallinari, Afflalo and Lawson are very decent NBA players, but not superstars. But when you crush a Miami Heat team like a boss, it just gets strange. Obviously they play hard and they are very well coached. But still...

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Obviously they play hard and they are very well coached.

 

That's your answer right there. The media piledrives you over the head constantly with who they believe are the top teams, and they are right a good portion of the time. But teams like the Nuggets, Grizz, Pacers, etc. continue to challenge that notion. The same thing applies to players as well. Look at how Denver was viewed with Carmelo and then after. They got plenty of press with him, and became a ghost team after the trade, even though they actually got better.

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That's your answer right there. The media piledrives you over the head constantly with who they believe are the top teams, and they are right a good portion of the time. But teams like the Nuggets, Grizz, Pacers, etc. continue to challenge that notion. The same thing applies to players as well. Look at how Denver was viewed with Carmelo and then after. They got plenty of press with him, and became a ghost team after the trade, even though they actually got better.

Yeah, but it's easy to overlook that when you compare it to Melo and Amare' blowing everyone else out under D'Antoni's dashing offensive system.

 

Oh, wait...

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I'm actually worried that if Denver, Portland and Utah pick up steam, there wouldn't be any space for us in the playoffs. Anyone think Utah is having a fluke start just like Golden State did last season? And Houston is turning into a scary team. They're just sleeping right now, but you can't count out a team with Lowry and Scola.

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Yeah, but it's easy to overlook that when you compare it to Melo and Amare' blowing everyone else out under D'Antoni's dashing offensive system.

 

Oh, wait...

 

That team could get more competitive if you plug a better PG (Nash?) in, but I still think the best they can aspire to be is Phoenix (uptempo era). D'Antoni isn't defense-minded much less Melo and Amare. If they surround them with some more defensive-minded players they could develop into something, but I see them flaming out before any real success occurs...I could be wrong though.

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Not at all. Often it is additon by subtraction and they subtracted 2 extreme head cases and a guy that was in the way of Gallinari. Also DeMarre Carroll has to be given credit for their rise. :P

 

Rudy Fernandez is a really great player and he has found the right team. Understandably most NBA fans have a biased grudge against Spanish players in the league. Rudy is proving them wrong once again. Dallas must be kicking themselves in the crotch. Even Corey Brewer is contributing there and Koufos slliding in at the 4 when Nene was out. I expected a breakout season from Ty Lawson and so far he isn't disappointing.

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I can understand Denver, but Utah is getting on my nerves now. They keep winning. We had them beat in Salt Lake earlier this year and just went into a shooting funk. But they were definitely beatable.

 

They just beat the darling Clippers tonight easily. I was counting on Denver making the playoffs from the West but NOT Utah. They need to start taking some losses.

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Utah's position right now might be due to the fact that they've played most of their games at home. Hoping it will become a roller coaster for them as the season goes on. The Clips probably aren't going to last long enough atop the West. They don't have a bench. Denver and Portland have a deep and balanced team. While Utah has a solid core of big men, Southern Dreads said it best. They aren't a balanced team and they have a horrible backcourt, without that backcourt talent, they'll fall off the playoff picture.

 

I just saw their schedule and majority (an understatement) of their games to be played in February and March are on the road. They beat the Clips once and aside from the Clips and us, the only quality team they've beaten was Denver. Not that we'd done anything yet. We beat Houston soundly, other than that, beat a Derrick-less Bulls and a banged-up Knicks team. We play the Jazz twice more, this time both games at home.

 

And they'll play Dallas twice in the near future. We will see how truly elite they are.

 

The Rockets are another story, we've got a nice 1-0 advantage but they've got convincing wins against the Spurs w/ Ginobili, Hawks w/ Horford and the Trailblazers.

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George Karl has always been great at getting teams to play above their talent levels. In 24 years of coaching in the NBA, he has had only 3 sub .500 seasons. That is flat out amazing. Good coaching combined with a lack of Kobe sized egos can go a long way during the regular season.

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I just saw their schedule and majority (an understatement) of their games to be played in February and March are on the road. They beat the Clips once and aside from the Clips and us, the only quality team they've beaten was Denver. Not that we'd done anything yet. We beat Houston soundly, other than that, beat a Derrick-less Bulls and a banged-up Knicks team. We play the Jazz twice more, this time both games at home.

 

 

People keep knocking the fact we beat the Bulls with Rose out. I would like to point out that the Bulls are 2-1 with him out, so we are the only team who has beaten them with him out.

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People keep knocking the fact we beat the Bulls with Rose out. I would like to point out that the Bulls are 2-1 with him out, so we are the only team who has beaten them with him out.

Granted that we beat them without Derrick Rose, all I'm saying is that we haven't done anything big this season yet. I'm fully aware that ZBo's out, but I just hold my Grizzlies to a higher standard than most I guess. I feel our team right now without ZBo should be able to compete with a healthy Bulls, Spurs, etc. and win some.

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Utah's position right now might be due to the fact that they've played most of their games at home. Hoping it will become a roller coaster for them as the season goes on. The Clips probably aren't going to last long enough atop the West. They don't have a bench. Denver and Portland have a deep and balanced team. While Utah has a solid core of big men, Southern Dreads said it best. They aren't a balanced team and they have a horrible backcourt, without that backcourt talent, they'll fall off the playoff picture.

 

I just saw their schedule and majority (an understatement) of their games to be played in February and March are on the road. They beat the Clips once and aside from the Clips and us, the only quality team they've beaten was Denver. Not that we'd done anything yet. We beat Houston soundly, other than that, beat a Derrick-less Bulls and a banged-up Knicks team. We play the Jazz twice more, this time both games at home.

 

And they'll play Dallas twice in the near future. We will see how truly elite they are.

 

The Rockets are another story, we've got a nice 1-0 advantage but they've got convincing wins against the Spurs w/ Ginobili, Hawks w/ Horford and the Trailblazers.

yeah lilgreg, after I posted my thoughts about Utah, I looked at their schedule and you are right on. They have played a lot of games at home and havent played all that tough of a schedule. So hopefully order will be restored and they will come back to the .500 team or slightly under team that they need to be.

 

I wasnt impressed with them much at all and thought the Grizz had the game under control until the obligatory scoring funk descended upon them and they couldnt put the ball in the ocean from a row boat. Anyway, I am hoping like you that the schedule takes care of Utah

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Secret - basketball is a TEAM sport. Great teams beat great individual players any day of the week and good teams have a shot against great individual players most nights.

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all the teams I thought would suck this season have surprised me.....Houston, Utah, Denver, Portland, Philly,....sort of pisses me off a little.

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Secret - basketball is a TEAM sport. Great teams beat great individual players any day of the week and good teams have a shot against great individual players most nights.

 

See the Kincks

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I'm not surprised in the slightest. Masai Ujiri is doing work in that front office. He traded Melo for a king's ransom, and kept a lock on his guys. Afflalo, Gallinari, and Nene are there to stay. All great pieces to a team game. Not to mention Ty Lawson is a baller. If they can hang on to Wilson Chandler when he's liberated from his Chinese contract, this team will be scary to look out for... heck, they're pretty scary already.

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Gallinari got paid $20M less than Kevin Love. So how bad was Love overpaid in your view? Joakhim Noah was paid more than Gallo as well I can remember $60M / 5yr, his extension and I think they worth about the same really. Gallow making $2m less than Noah.

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I watched "The Association" on NBATV. It was focusing on the Nuggs. It was a real good watch. They really managed to build a "team's" team. Geroge Carl said, "Everyone says you're gonna have three to four superstars on three to four teams. Well I'm not sure Denver is going to be one of those teams. So why should we build on that philsophy? My philsophy is, why don't we get a top ten player in every position and have a top ten bench?" It seems to have worked.

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