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  1. What do you think Tyreke's value is?

    Oh I don't think they are. I think it's foolish, but I think they are committed to trying to be a 7-8 seed again next year with no hope of winning it all.
  2. What do you think Tyreke's value is?

    I won't even get into who is better, Marc or Deandre. But if Cleveland is stupid enough to trade the Brooklyn pick, I think Marc is the better trade acquisition for them. 1). He spaces the floor better than Deandre does, which is important because it give LeBron room to drive and another shooter to pass to on those drives. 2) Marc is actually signed after this season. So if LeBron walks, you can trade Marc for other assets- although none will be as valuable as the Brooklyn pick they give up. If they get Deandre and LeBron walks, the odds are against Deandre resigning. Then they will have given up a lottery pick for cap space.
  3. What do you think Tyreke's value is?

    We may have only had to keep Thabeet for one season, but we lost out on Steph Curry. Thabeet is still worse. The only thing worse than Thabeet is the Otis Thorpe trade. That cost us DWade (Jerry West's target), Bosh, or Melo. Although I hate Melo as a player, any of those three would have given us a real superstar at least for a little bit.
  4. What do you think Tyreke's value is?

    I'm with you on not taking back long term salary if it is a bad contract. I'm not opposed to Clarkson (although that takes more than Tyreke). I don't think we are getting a first or if we do, that it will be a super late first. I'd rather target young guys who are still on rookie contracts but have shown some potential. Oubre, Poeltl, Anunoby, Hernangomez (either), Richaun Holmes, Kennard, those type of players. They may not be available. But those would be my targets first and foremost (unless you can get a mid round first). Then I'd settle for picks.
  5. 2018 NBA Draft Thread

    First and foremost I understand this would never ever happen from any team that has LeBron. I just want to tackle the craziness of this argument. The free agency stuff I get and would absolutely be a reason NOT to do this kind of trade. But LeBron on the downside of his career is a reason not to trade Marc Gasol for him? Assuming LeBron is on the downside of his career, he is still infinitely better than Gasol. LeBron is the best player in the game. Even a crazy person puts him in the top 3 players in the game-that's worst case scenario. Gasol would be lucky to make a top 20 list. LeBron is a whopping one month older than Gasol. Now, is LeBron on the downside of his career? Well he's not on the upside. My guess is he is still at his peak. His ppg, rpg, apg, and 3 pts made per game are all above his career averages. He is tied with his career average for steals per game. His FG%, 3PT%, and FT% would all rank within the top 3 of his career. Yeah, he's on the downside.
  6. 2018 NBA Draft Thread

    Maybe, maybe not. That would depend on who else was on the team. But that is not what I said. I said the two time MVP who is the "GREATEST OF ALL TIME AT HIS SKILL SET." That is Curry.
  7. KBM's draft thoughts and opinions

    I see nothing wrong with being another Marc Gasol. Multiple time All Star. Former all NBA player. Very good player. If he turns into Gasol, he will have a great career and be a worthy pick. That being said, your team is not winning anything of consequence if he is Gasol 2.0 and has to be your number 1 player. Gasol is a below average first option, a solid second option, and a championship level third option.
  8. What do you think Tyreke's value is?

    You wait for the best offer. However, even if all the offers are crap, you absolutely trade him just to trade him. He is gone after the season regardless. Get something while you can. The only way he comes back here is if no one offers him the MLE or higher. That is all we can offer. If the most anyone offers is the MLE, do you think he is choosing to play for a team that is currently among the worst in the league? Get what you can for him.
  9. 2018 NBA Draft Thread

    I'll take the guy with the two MVP awards and who is the greatest of all time at his skill set. That's just me.
  10. 2018 NBA Draft Thread

    and....? What is it?
  11. 2018 NBA Draft Thread

    I am telling you he is not better than Mike Conley right now. Now whether you choose to believe it or not is your choice. I did. Only player who made any impact in the NBA was Avery Johnson. And I would take Mike Conley over Avery Johnson any day. NCAA stats don't guarantee NBA success. I think Trae Young is one helluva prospect. But I am not putting him over anyone in the NBA who has established themselves to the level Conley has (and I don't think Conley is as great as some on this board do).
  12. What do you think Tyreke's value is?

    I'm fine with that. Both have shown to be capable rotation level players. Both are young.
  13. Worst possible scenario: the Grizzlies actually trying to make it to the 8th seed. First, it's highly unlikely we can play at the level necessary to even put us in contention. The Pelicans are currently the 8th seed. They are at .500. If they finish the season at .500, they will have 41 wins. To match those 41 wins, we have to go 28-14 the rest of the way. Or we have to be as good as the current 3 seed in the West. Based on the way this season has gone, does anyone really believe this team can play at that level? Secondly, you have to jump 5 teams. They may be bad, but jumping 5 teams is never easy. The most likely scenario if the team goes for it is playing better but coming up short. In order to do that, we would have to hold onto Tyreke, Brandan Wright, and James Ennis. So our one asset (the draft pick) would be worse, and we won't have added any additional assets. Then next year we are still stuck in salary cap hell. We will only have MLE to offer. Tyreke almost certainly leaves for more money. I can't imagine the team resigning Wright unless it's for the minimum due to his unavailability. Ennis could resign, but do we want him? Either way the 3 of them are some of the better rotation pieces we have. So we lose 2 or 3 of our better players (not saying much) and our only avenues to replace them are MLE, a worsened draft pick, 2nd round picks, and league minimum offers. Sounds an awful lot like next year will be worse than this. We are in rebuild whether the team has accepted it or not. To fight that will only make things worse and take longer to come out of.
  14. 2018 NBA Draft Thread

    I've only watched him twice, but several of his passes were absolutely amazing. I do agree his usage rate is extremely high. That coupled with his scoring ability helps with the high assist total. But from what I've seen, his passing is definitely above average.
  15. 2018 NBA Draft Thread

    I don't remember anyone hyping Hield as the next Curry. I could see them saying he was a Curry like shooter, but not the overall package. Hield can't dribble. Very few have Westbrook's athletic ability. Young is an average athlete. Does he have Curry's handle or freakish shot making ability? Can't say he does until you actually see it on the NBA level, but most likely he doesn't. No one has before Curry or since Curry. I will say this- I think he has better handles and shot making ability than Curry did as a freshman in college. Which means he has potential. Plus he doesn't have to be the next Curry to be great. What if he is just Damian Lillard? Oh that would be so sad.
  16. What do you think Tyreke's value is?

    If you believe his brother when he talks on sports radio, Tyreke is going wherever the most money is. If you can gain assets by trading Tyreke, you trade him. You don't gamble that he is willing to take $4-5 million less a year to be here when his brother keeps saying they are trying to get paid.
  17. I don't think you can with MLE. I could be wrong though. Anyone know?
  18. The front office may have decided to let Z-Bo and TA walk already, but they weren't going to trade them. The primary reason behind that was they were two contributors to a playoff team last year and were more valuable to us than other teams. We kept the two so that we could make the playoffs and try to be competitive in the playoffs. Same deal with Kosta a few years back. That is not the case this year. We aren't making the playoffs. I would trade any and all of our expiring contracts for anything that has potential to be an asset. I would take draft picks. I would not take back someone else's bad contract though.
  19. What do you think Tyreke's value is?

    The ability to resign is the same if we keep him or trade him. We don't gain any advantage in resigning him by keeping him. Take whatever assets you can get.
  20. What do you think Tyreke's value is?

    I'd rather chase young players on rookie contracts who have actually shown some promise from these teams than get a mid to late 20s pick. This is where I'd focus my search if I were the front office.
  21. 2018 NBA Draft Thread

    Horrible comparison. The only comparable trait between the two is shooting. Young is a much better ball handler and passer. That being said, I'm with MemphisX; he could be the top pick (depending on the rest of the season) or he could be in the middle of the lottery. Even though I agree that it could be a recipe for disaster, I'd probably still trade either of them to get Young. My reasoning is this team, as constructed, has reached it's ceiling. It's only going down from this year on (I've been saying that for three years; most refused to listen. Yet here we are). The draft is a crap shoot. Give me as many chances as possible to get it right. As far as my overall draft board, I'm not real sure right now. I think the two best players are Ayton and Bagley. But I think the NBA is won on the perimeter these days. So I have questions that need to be answered. How well has Porter recovered and is the injury long term? Can Doncic's outrageous skill level overcome his athletic limitations? Also how serious are Doncic's athletic limitations? Are we talking Kyle Anderson lack of athleticism? Or more along the lines of Steph Curry? Also I'm staying away from Mo Bamba at all costs. I have too many Thabeet nightmares to make that move again.
  22. It'd be less cap space than that. That amount are just the contracts we have. There is a cap hold for every open roster spot up to the minimum. Plus there will be a cap hold for our draft pick, which will almost certainly be north of $3 million. So unless you move Mike, Marc, or Chandler for cap space, the most we can offer Tyreke will be the MLE. Unless he injures himself again, he will get more than the MLE. Knowing you can't resign him and that we won't make the playoffs, every day we wait to trade him is a day he could get injured again. Wallace needs to be on the phone finding out what are the best packages we can get for him and pull the trigger.
  23. KBM's draft thoughts and opinions

    How are you going to complain about people using extreme examples then use Kyle Anderson? There is unathletic, then twelves layers below that you get to where Kyle Anderson is. But I will work with what you have given me. Kyle Anderson was a very good player in college, third team all american. Not quite the same as being the best player in Europe at age 19 though. Euroleague is more difficult than the NCAA, and Doncic is better there than Anderson was in college. Even though you chose the worst athlete in the history of NBA basketball (may or may not be an exaggeration), Anderson's skill level has turned him into a pretty solid NBA player.
  24. KBM's draft thoughts and opinions

    How did that work out for DJ Stephens? Stromile Swift? Joe Alexander? How did not being able to dunk on people work out for Steph Curry? Isaiah Thomas? John Stockton? I put basketball skills as my number one asset. However, athleticism is important. But the ability to dunk on people regularly has always been a horrible way to determine whether a player is good or not. So you don't care about the results, just whether people were happy at the time? OK.